Those CMS inserts that are NAINA

[Reokeane]

I'm sure this is neither encouraged officially, or that I'm the first to go down this route..........

I had to go to London for work last year. I ordered the TS75 saw and carvex jigsaw cms inserts online (along with a load of other NAINA accessories) and had them delivered to the hotel I was staying at. I arranged to have them arrive two days before I did just in case there were any issues and called the concierge to give him a heads up some boxes would be arriving for a guest who hadn't checked in yet.  Everything went smoothly - I took an extra suitcase (hardshell), brought them back and they fit and work just fine with the US CMS I own - I've had no problems

The only downside was because the items were shipped to a UK address I couldn't claim back the 17.5% VAT but there was no other option as UK sellers won't ship to US (at least none that I could find)

If you know anyone going to UK who owes you a favour.......

 

[Mitchewd]

Do you mind listing how much it ended up costing you, including VAT?

This is a shortfall that Festool really needs to fix.  With the pent up lust for these things, they would sell so many...not to mention all the CMS units they would sell to those sitting on the fence.  So many...

 

[bkharman]

With the 75 insert, you can order via Amazon if you have Amazon Prime. Several have done it.

Enjoy!

Cheers. Bryan.

 

[Reokeane]

I paid 265.92 GBP for the "Module mounting CMS-TS 75 x 1" (Festool part 493360)

Festool Module mounting CMS-PS for the Carvex was  (Festool part 561262) £138.24

I purchased fromhttp://www.powertool-supplies.co.uk

Best,
Rory

 

[AIPDX]

Can you please let us know how much you like them and how useful you find them?

It is my understanding, based on what I read on discussion forums, is that the reason why Festool did not bring them to NA is because safety requirements in US and in Europe are slightly different and these inserts would not pass UL listing without modifications which Festool was not eager to make. I also was tempted to get them (I had an opportunity when a friend was moving from Germany for a job assignment) but the price was too high. I figured, I have a table saw and it makes no sense to buy another for about the same price. I was not sure how I would use the upside-down jig saw.

There were several reviews of these inserts posted by European fellow FOG-ers, but not many. They also may be in a different situation since many of us here in the US use their two or three car garages for hobby work, whereas in Europe not everyone has that amount of space and they may need more compact tool sets. Your first-hand report would be very valuable!

Thank you.

 

[Bhend18]

With the 75 insert, you can order via Amazon if you have Amazon Prime. Several have done it.

Enjoy!

Cheers. Bryan.

How do you go about doing this?

 

[copcarcollector]

With the 75 insert, you can order via Amazon if you have Amazon Prime. Several have done it.

Enjoy!

Cheers. Bryan.

How do you go about doing this?

[member=10890]Bhend18[/member]

Go to Amazon.co.uk, or regular US Amazon and at the bottom right click UK

orhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Festool-CMS...e=UTF8&qid=1459464307&sr=8-2&keywords=festool+cms

As a Prime member, I have the option to order and have it shipped overseas to the USA. I did not know about this until this post, so I ordered the router bit set and something else, shipped to me this afternoon--

(Insert Festool warranty terms, UL concerns etc here...)

 

[impecunious]

Funny this topic came up... I was in Germany about 4 weeks ago and picked up the TS 55 insert for my CMS.  I knew ahead of time that I would be visiting, so I reached out to a local dealer in Dusseldorf and we worked out all the details by email.  I even saved a bit on the list price of the insert set because I didn't need the miter gauge or the dual vacuum tube hookup which already comes with the CMS GE set in the States.

Even better, I'm headed back to Germany again next week and I'll be visiting the same dealer again to pick up the side extension table for the CMS (which should work nicely with their accessory fence that I also picked up), and the dealer will refund me the 19% VAT that I paid on my previous trip because I got my paperwork stamped by the customs authorities when I flew back home.

I haven't played too terribly much with the TS insert, but I did set it up with my TS 55 and make a few cuts for grins.  The only thing I thought was a little odd was how the riving knife that comes with the insert seemed to interfere once or twice with a practice cut I was making, and my workpiece ended up being cut a little wonky.  But this could have been operator error in some way... I really didn't spend much time with the setup because I had to move on to other things.  However, this is something I will definitely explore more in the near future, hopefully.

I totally agree with the other poster that it's lame that so many Festools aren't available in the USA.  It's absolutely maddening.  The Dusseldorf tool dealer gave me a copy of the Festool 2016 catalog for Germany, and the thing is like the length of War & Peace compared to the version for the States.  There are so, so many tools in this catalog that just look incredible, but nope... can't get them here.  So frustrating.

I was not sure how I would use the upside-down jig saw.

I was under the impression that the point of the CMS insert for the upside-down mounted jig saw was so that you could have Festool's version of a bandsaw.  Am I wrong?

 

[peter halle]

Well, as expected:

Statement from Festool.

Warning: The Festool CMS System is approved for use with only the OF 1400 and OF 1010 routers in the US and Canadian markets.  It is not approved for use with the OF 2200, nor with any of the CMS modules currently available outside the US and Canadian markets (TS, Jigsaw and sanding modules).  Festool USA does not  endorse the use of these components and will not support them with spare  parts or repairs. The use of anything other than the OF 1400 and OF 1010 routers and their related accessories with the CMS will void the warranty agreement on the entire system for customers within the US and Canada. Festool does not endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual. To reduce the risk of serious injury and/or damage to your Festool product, always read, understand and follow all warnings and instructions in your Festool product's Instruction Manual.

That being said, as a user and owner of the CMS I hope that one day - before I die - that Festool can provide here all the modules for the CMS with the required certifications that would protect me as a contractor.

Peter

 

[erock]

Well, as expected:

Statement from Festool.

Warning: The Festool CMS System is approved for use with only the OF 1400 and OF 1010 routers in the US and Canadian markets.  It is not approved for use with the OF 2200, nor with any of the CMS modules currently available outside the US and Canadian markets (TS, Jigsaw and sanding modules).  Festool USA does not  endorse the use of these components and will not support them with spare  parts or repairs. The use of anything other than the OF 1400 and OF 1010 routers and their related accessories with the CMS will void the warranty agreement on the entire system for customers within the US and Canada. Festool does not endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual. To reduce the risk of serious injury and/or damage to your Festool product, always read, understand and follow all warnings and instructions in your Festool product's Instruction Manual.

That being said, as a user and owner of the CMS I hope that one day - before I die - that Festool can provide here all the modules for the CMS with the required certifications that would protect me as a contractor.

Peter

[member=1674]Peter Halle[/member]
The reason I don't and will not buy into the CMS.    But I noticed Festool has a little competitions with a modular workstation from another tool company that looks promising.  Orange and black in color......  [scratch chin]

Eric

 

[Samo]

Well, as expected:

Statement from Festool.

Warning: The Festool CMS System is approved for use with only the OF 1400 and OF 1010 routers in the US and Canadian markets.  It is not approved for use with the OF 2200, nor with any of the CMS modules currently available outside the US and Canadian markets (TS, Jigsaw and sanding modules).  Festool USA does not  endorse the use of these components and will not support them with spare  parts or repairs. The use of anything other than the OF 1400 and OF 1010 routers and their related accessories with the CMS will void the warranty agreement on the entire system for customers within the US and Canada. Festool does not endorse the application or use of any Festool product in any way other than in the manner described in the Festool Instruction Manual. To reduce the risk of serious injury and/or damage to your Festool product, always read, understand and follow all warnings and instructions in your Festool product's Instruction Manual.

That being said, as a user and owner of the CMS I hope that one day - before I die - that Festool can provide here all the modules for the CMS with the required certifications that would protect me as a contractor.

Peter

[member=1674]Peter Halle[/member]
The reason I don't and will not buy into the CMS.    But I noticed Festool has a little competitions with a modular workstation from another tool company that looks promising.  Orange and black in color......  [scratch chin]

Eric

It's to do with (IMHO) the liability in the US of any tool that has an exposed cutter.  The jigsaw module, for example, has no guard possible.  Table saws in the US? Why would they bother?

I have a rack, we call it the bakers cart, at my home shop with all the usable modules, TS 75, OF 1400 and jigsaw whatever thing.
It is a space saver but time consuming to set up and I need a MFT-VL so I can set up two tools.  Still looking for that last part.

Also (IMHO) the CMS in Europe is for people with limited space and DIY'ers mostly.

 

[mike_aa]

... I hope that one day - before I die - that Festool can provide here all the modules for the CMS with the required certifications that would protect me as a contractor.

Peter

[member=1674]Peter Halle[/member]
The reason I don't and will not buy into the CMS.    But I noticed Festool has a little competitions with a modular workstation from another tool company that looks promising.  Orange and black in color......  [scratch chin]

Eric

[member=8352]erock[/member]

Eric, good buddy, That thing is pretty cool.  Did you order one yet?  When will we see the video?  [tongue]

I bet they come out with more modules down the road.

Mike A.

 

[Samo]

https://www.facebook.com/Giants/videos/10153459225716828/

More important things in life  [big grin]

 

[travisj]

I quickly looked at the Triton system at a woodworking show.  I was surprised by the fit and finish and the "plastic" pieces were actually laminate.  It seems like a well thought out system if someone was in the market for that sort of thing.

 

[kixnbux]

As to the exposed jigsaw blade. The Rockwell Bladerunner worked around that somehow. And it's a piece of crap $99 gizmo. Surely for 2 grand it could be figured out lol

 

[demographic]

But I noticed Festool has a little competitions with a modular workstation from another tool company that looks promising.  Orange and black in color......  [scratch chin]

Eric

Aye, the Triton Workstation 2000. Never used one yet but it looks to be a fair bit of kit.

 

[Gene Howerton]

Nope it's the new Workcenter that is out and has inserts for router, table saw and small cutter with more to come.

See the link below.
http://www.amazon.com/Triton-TWX7-W...w_p_img_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=1X0KATR22X7BRDCKC0CC

I am looking at this real hard.  It seems festool like and portable, perfect for my small shop

 

[Samo]

As to the exposed jigsaw blade. The Rockwell Bladerunner worked around that somehow. And it's a piece of crap $99 gizmo. Surely for 2 grand it could be figured out lol

I do wish Festool would add safety features to the Compact Module System and market it in the US, but will never happen I'm afraid.

 

[7sec153]

I ordered my stuff overseas, quite simple and actually cheaper if you do your homework, so I'm good to go.  I can care less what the US government thinks about the safety aspect, I am responsible for my own safety.  The last I knew, the same humans who can use them overseas are the same kind of humans here in the states so tell me where the problem lies?

 

[erock]

... I hope that one day - before I die - that Festool can provide here all the modules for the CMS with the required certifications that would protect me as a contractor.

Peter

[member=1674]Peter Halle[/member]
The reason I don't and will not buy into the CMS.    But I noticed Festool has a little competitions with a modular workstation from another tool company that looks promising.  Orange and black in color......  [scratch chin]

Eric

[member=8352]erock[/member]

Eric, good buddy, That thing is pretty cool.  Did you order one yet?  When will we see the video?  [tongue]

I bet they come out with more modules down the road.

Mike A.

[member=30413]mike_aa[/member]

HEY neighbor !  No man.  I did not order this yet.    It's on my radar.    I would like to add a table saw to my shop, but if they came out with a belt sander and jig saw modules.....then I'd be all over it like a fly on  [censored]

Hope you're doing well Mike.    Get out into your shop and BUILD SOMETHING!    [poke]    LOL !

Eric