Three Piece Floating Credenza

4nthony

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I finally finished the credenza I'd been working on for several months.

From SketchUp...
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... to finished piece. In the end, I reconfigured the drawers from 3 to 2, swapped out the middle cabinet doors with a drawer and fold-down door, and went from vertical to horizontal pulls (while considering other designs, as noted).
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This little door mockup with hinges gave me an idea of how I'd inset my doors.
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My first dry fit
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Throughout the project, I had some misplaced dominos that needed to be plugged and recut...
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...or just plugged.
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The clamping squares helped keep the carcass square, however the vertical dividers ended up being slightly out of square. This became obvious when it came time to fit the door/drawer panels.
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Tetris blocks in the garage. My garage is pretty small and these took up most of the space.
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Fitted with French cleats and ready for installation.
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The $10 Stud Buddy I picked up at Lowe's worked amazingly well finding the wall studs.
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Also, I'm not a fan of red lasers. The red laser just seemed blurry to me when up close and was hard to focus on. Maybe a green laser is easier to see and more crisp?

I got lucky in that there were studs on both sides of the outlet. At some point in time, a section of pickwick was replaced with plywood. Had that not happened, I would've only had one stud to mount the middle cleat. Though, the paneling is 3/4" thick so might've worked ok to help support the cleat if necessary.
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Boxes on the wall. Phase one is complete.
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Phase two, drawer boxes and shelves.
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My local hardwood dealer had a few 14' quartersawn boards and of the ones I pulled off the rack, I liked the two on the right. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a third board to complement the grain wave. I ended up bringing the 3 on the right home, but in hindsight...I should've kept looking through the rack and found a better match. The straighter grain stands out to me in the finished panels. It was also lighter in color.
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The boards were ~20-21mm and I milled them down to 18.5mm to be closer in thickness to the carcasses.
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Copied these joint bridges from Woodpeckers. They were useful, but they also added to the stress of a glue-up, having to hold them in place while getting them clamped up. I also added notes to let me know which size Domino mortice to use for each panel.
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I was able to get all 5 panels clamped up.
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The initial panel fit.
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Once I got the hinges mounted on the doors, I snuck up on the fit then used a 2mm setup block to scribe the final gap
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I was using a square to square up the hinges but it slipped and I ended up placing one of the mounting holes incorrectly. I was able to drill it out, fill it with a dowel, and try again. Fortunately, the hinge covers it up.
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The 2.2mm kerf on the TS55 was perfect for cutting the drawer panels in half.
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The initial plan was to use vertical pulls on the doors and I received some great advice on how to go about attaching the pulls and dealing with grain orientation and movement...
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...but I scrapped the vertical pull idea and opted for smaller pulls at the top of the door.
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...for a smaller pull.
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I wish I'd had the foresight to make all the pulls (at least the ones on top) with continuous grain. It could've been a nice, but rarely noticed, design detail.
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I love these little drawer front mounts. On the kitchen refacing project I did last year, my fronts were inset and it was difficult using clamps to line up the fronts. These little guys solved the problem. Very useful.
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I'm getting quite a bit of use out of my Doscornio vacuum clamp. One thing about the Doscornio is you can't manually clamp the base to your bench like you can with the Vac-Sys. You could clamp a piece of plywood and suction the base to the plywood, but I ended up making a quick mount that is screwed to the front of my bench. This puts the clamp in a slightly more convenient spot and at a friendlier height than if it was on top of my bench.
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The curve on this test board was another design thought I had. I bought some bits to make the curved finger pull and tried a few test cuts.  It felt a bit sketchy and I wasn't comfortable making the cuts so I went back to the pull idea.

This piece also has my test batten. I had asked FOG about whether or not battens were required and initially, I was not going to put them in. I noticed my panels had started to develop a slight curve so I went for it.
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I screwed some temporary fences and stops into my bench and cut my dovetails.
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My stack-o-battens
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Fitted to the panels. I wasn't paying attention and was following instructions from a different project and secured these at the top of the door, rather than in the middle. We'll see what happens with seasonal movement and how much of my reveal is lost at the bottom. [doh]
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Finished battens with plugs, and screws in elongated holes holding the batten but hopefully not impeding wood movement.
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Ouch. I got some tearout on a few of the dovetails. I'll go back and patch these (or not?) but fortunately, they are not visible from the front.
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I used Osmo Raw matte on these and have been very happy with Osmo. Easy to apply and easy to buff out.
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All done.
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Lots of space for my daughter to stash her toys.
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One thing I noticed about the "3rd board" (on top) was it had this darker section. I thought it was tape residue or something but it never sanded out.
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Another one of my dovetail tear-outs at the bottom (and some screwy elongated holes).
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The next plan is to make a smaller cabinet that will go above the TV.

Anyway, I've said this before in other threads but this is such a great community and I'm happy to be a part of it. Thanks to everyone who has commented on my posts when I've asked for assistance and for helping this hobbyist woodworker improve.

Cheers!
Anthony

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Nice design and fine execution. Bonus for covering the project with lots of photos.
 
Anthony, thats an incredible piece of work.  I will have to refer to this entire thread for a while.  Really interested in the pulls and baton strategy you used.  Hopefully these make for a 'forever' project.  Very nice work.  BTW, is that 'Bluey' on the screen with your little one?  I just bought a few seasons of it for my grand daughter.  My daughter says she loves it.
 
Beautiful! Great design choices and thoughtful execution. In particular the pulls, my ODC would have never allowed that concept but seeing it I really like the decision.

Kudos all around, thanks for sharing.

RMW
 
Excellent work!!!  I really like the design and the thinking behind it, not to mention your workmanship.  [smile]
 
[member=75283]4nthony[/member] it came out great. Despite the trials and tribulations, the end result was worth it. I like the changes, especially the move to horizontal pulls.

It's way to late for this particular project, but I can offer a helpful technique that will help you (and others reading this) with the hinge screw and square problem. Rather that concentrating on one hinge at a time, place both (or 3 whatever) in the holes and place a straight edge across the backs of them.
This puts them parallel to each other, which is the actual goal anyway, and squareness to the door itself happens at the same time. (assuming that your edge spacing of the main bores is correct/equal)
I came up with this years ago because of some taller doors. "Squaring" that center hinge was not possible, in the same way as the ends.
99% of the time, I would be using a semi-automatic machine that drills the cup bore and the holes for the attachment screws at the same time. The machine drills big holes (8mm) and plastic plugs get pressed in at the same time as the hinge.
Occasionally though, different hinges come along, that don't work with the quick/easy machine. So further developments were required.
 
Love this!

I really appreciate the way you followed the drawer pulls into the door pulls on both sides; very clean design and aesthetically pleasing to my eye to have that kind of symmetry.

Since the dark streaks didn't come out, I'm hazarding a guess that they're actually from mismatched sticker material when the wood was dried, kiln or not; that sort of stain can get pretty deep into the wood depending on how wet everything is to start.
 
Thanks all!

Rick Herrick said:
Really interested in the pulls and baton strategy you used.  Hopefully these make for a 'forever' project.  Very nice work.  BTW, is that 'Bluey' on the screen with your little one?  I just bought a few seasons of it for my grand daughter.  My daughter says she loves it.

I first learned about using battens after watching this video from Keith Johnson. I also picked up some tricks about using an L-fence and scribing the doors. I probably watched his video more than 50 times, just to reinforce some ideas. I was pretty bummed by the tear out on the dovetails. Next time, I'll either keep the doors long, then trim to size after cutting the dovetail, or adding a sacrificial edge. I'll fix the tear out soon. Right now, my chisels are so dull that I think I'd do more damage trying to use them. Learning how to sharpen chisels is on my list of to-dos.

The pulls were ~18.5mm strips of white oak made with a dado stack, a 3/4" roundover bit, and a 5/8" round nose bit. The corners of the smaller pulls were rounded on a Rigid Belt Sander. All the pulls were installed after fitting the doors and fronts to their respective openings. I had to remove about 5mm to accommodate the pulls and maintain my gaps.

And yep, that's Bluey. Such a great show for both kids and adults. There's a great episode in season 3 called "Fairytale" where Bandit is telling the story of how he met Chili. He's cruising around on a BMX bike and one of the kids asks where his helmet is. He replies, "It was the 80s, kid, we didn't need helmets!" Yep, that was my childhood!


Crazyraceguy said:
It's way to late for this particular project, but I can offer a helpful technique that will help you (and others reading this) with the hinge screw and square problem. Rather that concentrating on one hinge at a time, place both (or 3 whatever) in the holes and place a straight edge across the backs of them.
This puts them parallel to each other, which is the actual goal anyway, and squareness to the door itself happens at the same time. (assuming that your edge spacing of the main bores is correct/equal)
I came up with this years ago because of some taller doors. "Squaring" that center hinge was not possible, in the same way as the ends.
99% of the time, I would be using a semi-automatic machine that drills the cup bore and the holes for the attachment screws at the same time. The machine drills big holes (8mm) and plastic plugs get pressed in at the same time as the hinge.
Occasionally though, different hinges come along, that don't work with the quick/easy machine. So further developments were required.

Using a straight edge to keep all the hinges square is a great idea. I used the Shaper and Plate for the cups but did the screw mounts manually. I was still getting the hang of using the Plate and it wasn't as quick as using the little Kreg jig I have.

squall_line said:
Love this!

I really appreciate the way you followed the drawer pulls into the door pulls on both sides; very clean design and aesthetically pleasing to my eye to have that kind of symmetry.

Thanks! That was kind of a lightbulb moment. I thought about using smaller pulls centered on the drawers that were the same size as the door pulls. I made them and had them ready to go, but I wasn't really feeling it. When sitting on the couch, I'd stare at it trying to think of something. I would sometimes be so focused on the cabinet, picturing different designs designs in my head, that my wife would ask if anything was wrong or if I was OK. Ha.

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sawdustinmyshoes said:
Great design and well executed.  That dark area could be sticker stain from the drying process. 
squall_line said:
Since the dark streaks didn't come out, I'm hazarding a guess that they're actually from mismatched sticker material when the wood was dried, kiln or not; that sort of stain can get pretty deep into the wood depending on how wet everything is to start.

I didn't know about sticker stain but that makes perfect sense. I tried to sand it out but didn't have any luck. I'll have to remember and think about this when buying wood and laying out boards on future projects.

One thing I'm happy about is if I ever need to relocate these, they can easily function as standalone units.

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Congratulations! That’s a project to be proud of.

Lasers, don’t know if a green line is finer than a red but if you put flat black tape on the target area it will absorb the weaker edges of the beam and you can find the center easier.

 
[member=75283]4nthony[/member]  Great looking project and the finish gives a really nice warmth to the piece while keeping the grain subtle.  It looks like you used white oak, but I was curious about some of the 14 footers you bought.  Were they red oak or just had a different shade to them?

And, thank you for all the explanations and photos.  It's really helpful!

Mike A.
 
mike_aa said:
[member=75283]4nthony[/member]  Great looking project and the finish gives a really nice warmth to the piece while keeping the grain subtle.  It looks like you used white oak, but I was curious about some of the 14 footers you bought.  Were they red oak or just had a different shade to them?

Thanks Mike. Yeah, it was all white oak but two of the boards I picked were kinda pinkish. It wasn't as obvious in person but the difference really stands out in the photos.

PaulMarcel said:
Awesome work, Anthony! Love the pull decision and all the photos to follow along.

Thank you Paul!
 
4nthony said:
mike_aa said:
[member=75283]4nthony[/member]  Great looking project and the finish gives a really nice warmth to the piece while keeping the grain subtle.  It looks like you used white oak, but I was curious about some of the 14 footers you bought.  Were they red oak or just had a different shade to them?

Thanks Mike. Yeah, it was all white oak but two of the boards I picked were kinda pinkish. It wasn't as obvious in person but the difference really stands out in the photos.

"Red" and "White" are horrible generic names for entire groups of species of trees.
Somewhere back in time all of the species that have the leaves turn red in the fall got lumped together and called "Red Oak". Wood can vary wildly on color and texture in the same tree, within several species, even more. It's not the wood itself that gave it the red name.

Just to be contrary, "White Oak" is not named for the leaves, it's the bark that gets them grouped together. Again not one species, but several. Strangely enough, the wood inside a White Oak is darker and more brown than the ones called Red.

The most important difference in them is the grain itself. Red Oak is ring-porous. Picture a thousand straws rubberbanded together. The White Oaks are much tighter (closed) and that's why they are good for outdoor projects too, much more resistant to water.
 
Crazyraceguy said:
The most important difference in them is the grain itself. Red Oak is ring-porous. Picture a thousand straws rubberbanded together. The White Oaks are much tighter (closed) and that's why they are good for outdoor projects too, much more resistant to water.

Stumpy Nubs has a video where he blows bubbles in a glass of water with a piece of Red Oak. Kinda cool.

One thing I like about red oak is it looks great when finished with India ink.
 
We don't get much Red Oak in OZ, but I did get some stunning fiddleback a while ago that looks just amazing. Beautiful timber.
 
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