To all Festool newbies who already have a Shop-vac

BarBuilder

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I know that on this message board it will be considered heresy and I'll probably get slammed for posting this BUT I wanted to make it crystal clear to anybody who is just starting their journey with Festool that it is not necessary to buy a Festool CT vacuum in order to get good dust collection from these tools. ALL YOU NEED TO BUY IS ITEM #452879!!! This is the 16.5' non-anti-static hose and it is only $75. One end is an EXACT FIT to any standard Shop Vac (which is 2 and 1/4") and the other end is for the beautiful green tool. It is a plug and play solution for those of us on a budget. This was never clear to me when I started my research and I wanted to simplify it for anyone else who may be interested (thanks to Tom Bellamare and Bob Marino for explaining this to me). Don't get me wrong, the CT vacuum is very nice and certainly has its place but for those of us who live in the shop and already own a Shop-vac this is a viable option. Some day down the road when my shop-vac dies, I'm sure I'll have a CT26. In the meantime, I hope this helps someone.  [big grin]
 
I don't think anyone is going to slam you for that. There certainly are advantages to using CT vacs, but if one isn't in your budget there's no reason to forgo dust collection just because you don't have the fancy one. Good tip
 
What you say is correct but if your using the sanders you will also need a way to adjust the suction and a good set of hearing protection.

John
 
I use a ShopVac hose from a cheap little vac + separator, which is connected to a Fein vac.  At the tool end I use the Fein rubber step adapter, which either snugly fits in or around the Festool's port.  Is the $75 Festool hose going to be a much better solution?
 
live4ever said:
I use a ShopVac hose from a cheap little vac + separator, which is connected to a Fein vac.  At the tool end I use the Fein rubber step adapter, which either snugly fits in or around the Festool's port.  Is the $75 Festool hose going to be a much better solution?

Only by 100% the tool end of the hose  being made to fit festools,cant be doing with adapters  [mad]
 
junk said:
What you say is correct but if your using the sanders you will also need a way to adjust the suction and a good set of hearing protection.

John

Until I owned a CT vacuum I never really knew what I was missing.  Now that I have a CT, I call my old Shop Vac the “noise machine.”  But you’re right, you CAN make a conventional shop vac do a pretty decent job if you’re budget conscious.  And, although it’s a bit Rube Goldbergish, you can add some of the Fes-features separately.

If you’re interested in varying the suction on your conventional, inexpensive vacuum there are some inexpensive options.  The cheapest may just be bleeding extra air into the hose somewhere along its length…like with a chunk of pvc pipe with holes drilled in it inserted between the hose sections. 

But the path I ultimately took was to simply connect the Vacuum to a universal “Router Speed Control” and just slow it down via a dial.  Such a device gives you variable speeds with any brush-type motor.  They install simply by plugging the speed control in between the wall outlet and the vacuum.  You can dial the suction back and suppress the noise by an amazing amount.  But, again, it’s an externally located device that adds to clutter.  Such switches can be had in the $20 neighborhood at the el cheapo tool stores.

There’s also no reason you can’t “daisy chain” a tool-triggered automatic on/off switch between the control mentioned above and the wall outlet.  The speed control/vacuum plugs into one outlet and the power tool into the other.  When the tool is triggered the vacuum starts and runs for a few seconds after the trigger is released.  But with this switch AND the speed control switch hooked together to the vac the setup starts to get really clumsy.  Throw in a preseparator cyclone, exhaust muffler, HEPA bags, copper wire around the hose for static, and so on and the whole contraption takes on the appearance of a bad 7th grade science fair project.

My point is that a Shop Vac can be rigged to do a pretty good impersonation of a CT vacuum.  And I used to do that very thing with better-than-satisfactory (and expected) results.

One thing that my Shop vacuum does not do is draw as deep of a suction as the CT series at wide open.  The published values for the CT indicates it pulls up to 90” of static water pressure.  My fairly powerful shop vacuum only lists 60”.  When dragging air through a small hose the extra pressure capability might make a difference in maintaining airflow in some instances.

Hey, my first FOG post!

Steve
 
@wh500special - I'm one step ahead of you on that 7th grade science experiment. I already own an iVac automated vacuum switch which I plan to use with my TS55 & shop-vac setup. If I get to the point that I'm using this "hobo" shop vac rig for sanding purposes, I'll either adopt your router speed control idea, or just give in and get a CT26. In any case - good info and I appreciate your input. It has value to those of us who are cost conscious.
 
BarBuilder,

Why don't you just aim to win the first prize in the Festool finishing questionnaire contest?  Then you'll have the CT 26 for free.
 
Ken Nagrod said:
BarBuilder,

Why don't you just aim to win the first prize in the Festool finishing questionnaire contest?  Then you'll have the CT 26 for free.

Oh, it's a contest and not a drawing?  We're being judged on the quality of our responses?  Oops...
 
live4ever said:
Ken Nagrod said:
BarBuilder,

Why don't you just aim to win the first prize in the Festool finishing questionnaire contest?  Then you'll have the CT 26 for free.

Oh, it's a contest and not a drawing?  We're being judged on the quality of our responses?  Oops...

You're being judged on the quality of your feedback and how many spray guns you own or have worked with, giving Festool all the details of your experiences.  Everything will be cataloged and sorted by a computer, which will randomly assign you a grade.  The respondents with the three highest grades will be brought into a dark room and asked more grueling questions about finishing, paint equipment, life and Twinkies.  The order of the winners will then be decided by a panel of children, ages 5-7.

Good luck!
 
Ken Nagrod said:
The respondents with the three highest grades will be brought into a dark room and asked more grueling questions about finishing, paint equipment, life and Twinkies.  The order of the winners will then be decided by a panel of children, ages 5-7.

Good luck!

Priceless!!  [big grin]
 
junk said:
What you say is correct but if your using the sanders you will also need a way to adjust the suction and a good set of hearing protection.

John

I completely agree about the suction control, but I am not sure that the noise issue is really relevant here.  Beyond a drill (and even in the case of drills, not always) I cannot off the top of my head think of a woodworking power tool that does not require good hearing protection.  So, even if one's Shop-Vac is a lot louder than a CT, one should be wearing hearing protection regardless.

 
Now you tell me ! [mad]

Just kidding - I am new to Festool - purchased a C15, then the Centrotec set, then the RO 90 and just got the Kapex. I had successfully used my shopvac with the RO 90 - (I used it with the 1 micron bag, new paper sleeve and new foam sleeve al together - I found this worked well - my Shop vac had the smaller hose but I was able to use Gaffer's tape to attach it to the RO 90 and this worked well. However after buying the Kapex,  I noticed that if you bought the package of the Kapex and the vac - in my case the CT Mini (mainly for site use) you got 5% off on both tools. So I went back to the dealer to get the mini. I ended up saving $100 approx over waiting and just buying the Mini separately at a later date. Also, just buying the hose to get a better fit would have meant spending another $75 anyway. Something to consider.

If I had not bought the Kapex, I doubt I would have ended up with the CT anytime soon.

Chris
 
I had gone the route of attaching TS55 to my shop vac with Bosch hose Amazon link that cost $32 for 5 meters.  It had the tool end that fit the festool perfectly.

Ended up getting the CT36 only about 2 weeks of this though.

I still use that hose for cleaning up as festool hose is attached to the boom arm. 

The control of variable suction and how quiet the CT is as well as how the bag is designed for complete dustless bag change all adds up and is totally worth the money.  CT is probably my favorite tool closely followed by the the MFT/3.
 
Hey I have a CT 26 and I use my shop van solely for my Kapex. It frees up the CT for using my festools .
 
I bought a CT33 with my first Festool, a TS75.  I have never turned on that screaming piece of $#!+ Shop Vac again!  The Shop Vac is an early 90's model that spits out most of the fine dust it sucks in, but does okay with water and big chunks.  That thing hurt my ears even with earplugs.

Once you go CT, you never go back.  It may seem like a lot of money for a vacuum, but how much did your wife's Rainbow, Kirby, Dyson or Meile cost?  Another advantage of the CTs is they are RRP ready, if you do any remodelling.
 
mike1967 said:
So, even if one's Shop-Vac is a lot louder than a CT, one should be wearing hearing protection regardless.

Wonderwino said:
I bought a CT33 with my first Festool, a TS75.  I have never turned on that screaming piece of $#!+ Shop Vac again!  The Shop Vac is an early 90's model that spits out most of the fine dust it sucks in, but does okay with water and big chunks.  That thing hurt my ears even with earplugs.

I start to think those American shop vacs must be really loud buggers. I mean, I don't think my CT 26 is quiet at all, I can't stand its noise. Same for the old 22 I had. The CT Mini is a bit more bearable but I still prefer to use hearing protection with any vac and power tool I use. And even with my mufflers on, I still think they're noisy, but fortunately it's now reduced from "excruciating" to "bearable".
 
I  have a CT22 but use the Shop Vac, with a supposed HEPA filter for cleaning up the floor.  Opened up the front panel of my DJ20 jointer for some maintenance and saw lots of stuff inside.  Plugged in the shop vac and sucked up all the crap.  Turned around and it looked like the shop was saturated with smoke.   No, the "filter" had just fallen off and all the intake went directly out into the air.  Gonna take a loooonnnnggg time to clean up that mess.  Parts of the shop look like an Indiana Jones archeological discovery, hundreds of years of dust.

Yeah, you can use a shop vac, but why????  Any cost savings I might have realized went away with the need to do a thorough cleaning of the shop with a respirator and a lot of my time.

And yeah, I know, some shop vac filters have a 'locking mechanism', so did this one, but gosh its 5 years old, can't expect it to still work.  [tongue] [sad] In my opinion, shop vac and its clones are bottom feeders.  Not worth buying for serious work.
 
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