For many years in the computer industry conductive paint has been used on the inside surfaces of plastic enclosures. The conductive paint performs two important functions. One of course is to help prevent build up of static charges of electricity within the enclosure. Two is the conductive paint also has shielding properties to contra; radiation of frequencies that are generated within the devices enclosure. The only shielding superior to the conductive paint is the Faraday cage type but is cost prohibitive in most instances. Nice thing about the conductive paint is total coverage is possible within the dust deputies funnel. Then all that would be required for a total discharge path for the static buildup could be straps around the ends of the funnel to connect the parts of the DD together. Just a thought.
Toasted CT22 Motor Module (thanks to Dust Deputy) !
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That paint would have to be very abrasive resistant !
Seems it would be tough to get it to adhere to this type of plastic and be hard to implement in the manufacturing process. Jumping to a steel cyclone would be easier.
All that aside, the small fixes which I made based on Oneida's electrical fix have taken care of all my issues. So if their final update comes out along the same electrical lines it should be a done deal.
Seems it would be tough to get it to adhere to this type of plastic and be hard to implement in the manufacturing process. Jumping to a steel cyclone would be easier.
All that aside, the small fixes which I made based on Oneida's electrical fix have taken care of all my issues. So if their final update comes out along the same electrical lines it should be a done deal.
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Nothing beats a cyclone pre-cleaner on site...
I used to sweep up the crap on the floor and then vac what was left... Not only does this fill the air with fine dust, it takes a lot of time, and fills expensive DC bags quick...
Now, I just vac up the lot, lumps of concrete, piles of shavings, puddles of water, all in the DD cyclone before the vac.... anything too big I pick up and throw in a bucket as I go...
Much faster, less fuss, much less airborne dust, much happier client!, and as an added bonus, a still empty (and light to lift) DC at the end of the day....
Tip DD bucket into plastic bag (tie and put in bin) and hose bucket out clean...
Quicker, easier, cheaper (consumables), ....
Nothing beats a cyclone pre-cleaner....
I used to sweep up the crap on the floor and then vac what was left... Not only does this fill the air with fine dust, it takes a lot of time, and fills expensive DC bags quick...
Now, I just vac up the lot, lumps of concrete, piles of shavings, puddles of water, all in the DD cyclone before the vac.... anything too big I pick up and throw in a bucket as I go...
Much faster, less fuss, much less airborne dust, much happier client!, and as an added bonus, a still empty (and light to lift) DC at the end of the day....
Tip DD bucket into plastic bag (tie and put in bin) and hose bucket out clean...
Quicker, easier, cheaper (consumables), ....
Nothing beats a cyclone pre-cleaner....
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Oneida-Jeff said:
I ordered and recently received the upgrade for my Ultimate Dust Deputy.
While I haven't installed it yet, and I am not sure I even had a problem with it connected to my Bosch, I am impressed with the response to the problem.
Bravo to Oneida and Lee Valley for excellent service.
Tim
Got my updated grounding kit from Oneida. It's basically a different hose that is black instead of the light grey one it came with. The hose has a grounding wire that you attach with aluminum tape to the CT itself and has a metal end that you insert into the CT. I found the metal end didn't insert all that well and I had to use some force to get it to fit...so it has probably scraped up the inside of the inlet port now. Not sure if the hose is made from a conductive material, but it is rather solid.
I also had to take off my hose garage as the new hose isn't as flexible so wouldn't reach the top of the dust deputy. Even without the hose garage, it just made it even though it's the same length as the old grey hose.
The other item was just aluminum tape and instructions on putting this tape onto the dust deputy itself.
I didn't get to test it out too much, but so far I haven't been getting the annoying tingling whenever it's running and I touch my arm to the Festool hose.
I also had to take off my hose garage as the new hose isn't as flexible so wouldn't reach the top of the dust deputy. Even without the hose garage, it just made it even though it's the same length as the old grey hose.
The other item was just aluminum tape and instructions on putting this tape onto the dust deputy itself.
I didn't get to test it out too much, but so far I haven't been getting the annoying tingling whenever it's running and I touch my arm to the Festool hose.
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I'm sorry to read of the problems caused by the plastic bodied DD. Mine is an older unit made entirely of welded steel. I have always connected it to my CT-22E using Festool anti-static connectors and hoses for both inlet and outlet. And I bridged the non-Festool adapter supplied by Oneida with braided copper wire that is wedged into contact with the Festool hoses when they are connected. No antistatic problems whatsoever, except when I first used my ancient Bosch 4x24 belt sander without first adding a grounding wire at the tool to electrically connect its frame to the Festool anti-static hose. That belt sander can generate a lot of static charge very quickly when sanding off catalyzed lacquer from kitchen cabinet door panels. Before adding that grounding link to bridge over the dust collector outlet of the tool and the Festool anti-static hose, I would get "zapped" several times every minute of sanding of those panels. From that experience, I can confirm that the static charge can build very quickly. In fact, if you look up a diagram of how a van de graaf generator works, for example at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_de_Graaff_generator
its quite similar to how my belt sander was working except that I was on the receiving end of the static discharges!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_de_Graaff_generator
its quite similar to how my belt sander was working except that I was on the receiving end of the static discharges!
I have also received and installed the upgrade kit. I had no problem with the metal end of the hose but did have difficulty with the other end. It was so tight that at first I couldn't get it to slide all the way down on the DD which it needed to do to contact the ring of aluminum tape. What I finally did was to heat the hose with a hair dryer and eventually got it to fit.
I have had no problems with shock since. Also, it may be my imagination but it seems that the flow inside the DD is much improved. Instead of seeing the chips gradually settle as they circle around in the DD, they now seem to be forced down to the container in a much tighter spiral than before.
Overall, very pleased.
I have had no problems with shock since. Also, it may be my imagination but it seems that the flow inside the DD is much improved. Instead of seeing the chips gradually settle as they circle around in the DD, they now seem to be forced down to the container in a much tighter spiral than before.
Overall, very pleased.
Put me on the "Happy Camper " side with Oneida correcting there Dust Deputy problems. I have a UDD on a CT26 that shocks when sanding and also a bucket DD hooked to a Sthil shop vac that the cyclone falls off when moving through the shop. I got in touch with Jeff and he put me in touch with Oneida's Lisa Barone who solved my concerns quickly. She sent me a upgrade kit for the UDD, a new cyclone for the shop DD and she was gracious enough to send a new Dust Sentry(for my V3000) to replace the old one at a price we could both live with. When I installed the UDD upgrade kit the hose was very hard to hook up, but I managed. Probably should have an 90 degree elbow on top. So, my hats off to Oneida, Jeff and Lisa for the very prompt fixes to the DD issues. Shocking issue has been solved.
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Hello All,
I figured I may as well weigh in on this. I bought the udd December of last year. I hooked it up along with the boom arm assembly. I used it mostly with the TS 55 and PS 300 jig saw when I was sheeting in my garage. I did not use any of the original tape or anything like that on the udd that came with it. I used it the whole winter and also with universal cleaning set with the ''non''-antistatic hose to vacuum the floor of the shop. I've gotten roots and jolts from it galore, but it still contiues to run. Anway, LV sent me a letter explaining that Oneida has a new fix and I can either return the udd for a refund or accept the new fix from Oneida. So I chose the new fix. Funny though I have ran my CT 26 with the udd without incident. That is not to say that it won't die on me, I speak only historically. How long have you who have succumed to this issue with udd ran the vacs before the problem occured? Incidentally whenever I discharge static from myself or to myself, I use a key. Whenever I am in a building in the winter with an elevator (and in particular a building with carpet floors) I use my car keys to touch the up/down button on the elevator. The static hurts so much because the spark jumps the gap from your skin to ground. Use a key to lessen that, it works............Just some maybe useful or useless trivia.
Regards,
Dan
I figured I may as well weigh in on this. I bought the udd December of last year. I hooked it up along with the boom arm assembly. I used it mostly with the TS 55 and PS 300 jig saw when I was sheeting in my garage. I did not use any of the original tape or anything like that on the udd that came with it. I used it the whole winter and also with universal cleaning set with the ''non''-antistatic hose to vacuum the floor of the shop. I've gotten roots and jolts from it galore, but it still contiues to run. Anway, LV sent me a letter explaining that Oneida has a new fix and I can either return the udd for a refund or accept the new fix from Oneida. So I chose the new fix. Funny though I have ran my CT 26 with the udd without incident. That is not to say that it won't die on me, I speak only historically. How long have you who have succumed to this issue with udd ran the vacs before the problem occured? Incidentally whenever I discharge static from myself or to myself, I use a key. Whenever I am in a building in the winter with an elevator (and in particular a building with carpet floors) I use my car keys to touch the up/down button on the elevator. The static hurts so much because the spark jumps the gap from your skin to ground. Use a key to lessen that, it works............Just some maybe useful or useless trivia.
Regards,
Dan
I don't think anyone has posted a picture of the upgraded kit. I finally got around to ordering even though I have my own fix in place. Might as well and see if I can improve on what I had came up with.
I opened the box and was impressed to find a metal connector on the inlet with a wire braid hanging out. Much better than their original tape fix. The hose itself was better quality too.
So I read through the instructions and did the install but decided I am going to keep my wire and copper plating in place as I really don't like the tape idea. I know from moving it around and accidentally pulling off hoses the tape doesn't hold up well.
I have a few complaints but hope they are not an issue in the future.
1) They removed the 90 elbo on the front and have the metal straight fitting sticking directly in the CT. These seems like a good idea at first but the metal is not very forgiving and you have to wedge it in place to hold it as it wont insert with any depth. I thought about continuing to use the 90 they provided with original kit but that would give me 2 fittings for the 1/4" line of which one I would have to block off.
As you can see from the pictures there is no 90 elbo on the top either making the hose really really short. I have it pulled to one side and attached with a tie wrap otherwise its in front of my controls !
2) They don't have wiring connecting the cyclone from to the inlet so I can only assume its connected via the new hose which I have to assume is anti-static. Once again I choose to my keep fix with quality wiring and copper plates. The thing they added which I feel is ridiculous not from an electrical standpoint but mechanical one is a wire braid from the new metal fitting that you are supposed to run up and tape to the top of the CT where the UDD sits.. This means you cant remove the hose or accidentally knock it out without removing the UDD and re taping the braided wire. Seriously? Remember this is the metal fitting that fits poorly I had to wedge in place.
I can only assume that having the metalized foil under the UDD must be something they thought was necessarily so I guess I need to make a copper strap with wire attached and connected it to the metal fitting in a proper manner.
My final concern is removing the cyclone lid to empty the thing. Having a short hose which is much stiffer is probably going to be a challenge.
I opened the box and was impressed to find a metal connector on the inlet with a wire braid hanging out. Much better than their original tape fix. The hose itself was better quality too.
So I read through the instructions and did the install but decided I am going to keep my wire and copper plating in place as I really don't like the tape idea. I know from moving it around and accidentally pulling off hoses the tape doesn't hold up well.
I have a few complaints but hope they are not an issue in the future.
1) They removed the 90 elbo on the front and have the metal straight fitting sticking directly in the CT. These seems like a good idea at first but the metal is not very forgiving and you have to wedge it in place to hold it as it wont insert with any depth. I thought about continuing to use the 90 they provided with original kit but that would give me 2 fittings for the 1/4" line of which one I would have to block off.
As you can see from the pictures there is no 90 elbo on the top either making the hose really really short. I have it pulled to one side and attached with a tie wrap otherwise its in front of my controls !
2) They don't have wiring connecting the cyclone from to the inlet so I can only assume its connected via the new hose which I have to assume is anti-static. Once again I choose to my keep fix with quality wiring and copper plates. The thing they added which I feel is ridiculous not from an electrical standpoint but mechanical one is a wire braid from the new metal fitting that you are supposed to run up and tape to the top of the CT where the UDD sits.. This means you cant remove the hose or accidentally knock it out without removing the UDD and re taping the braided wire. Seriously? Remember this is the metal fitting that fits poorly I had to wedge in place.
I can only assume that having the metalized foil under the UDD must be something they thought was necessarily so I guess I need to make a copper strap with wire attached and connected it to the metal fitting in a proper manner.
My final concern is removing the cyclone lid to empty the thing. Having a short hose which is much stiffer is probably going to be a challenge.
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rrmccabe said:
I'm glad that you got some resolution from Oneida. I bought an UDD some time ago and it tipped over and cracked the cyclone and broke it before I even got a chance to use it. I called them and asked them what we could do to fix it. They told me buy a new one, for 10% off and free shipping. They were very unhelpful. The retailer I bought it from was more helpful.
The solution they have seems pretty rigged up. I'm not going to rig up a product because they didn't engineer it correctly, and they have rotten service. Yes, I know you got this resolved, but based on my previous experience I think I'm on my own.
I'll try to take the UDD back to the retailer and work out some deal for a Festool Long Life bag.
How did i miss this thread [sad]
I ordered my UDD the end of June just filled out that form i saw in here from Oneida. I filled it out on the 27th, i will update this once it arrives.
Once again this site is proofing very helpful. I bought mine direct from Oneida, i should have been notified of this vs. stumbling accross this post by chance.
11/18 update -Any day i hope, its been 3 weeks.
11/20 - I fell through the cracks apparently, they didnt send anything. Glad i called or i would still be waiting. I am a irritated because i followed the instructions posted here by Jeff and still i was forgotten about. Make sure you follow up after filling out the form to make sure they got your order. Now i have to wait another week... I would have expected faster shipping to make up for dropping the ball on my kit.
I ordered my UDD the end of June just filled out that form i saw in here from Oneida. I filled it out on the 27th, i will update this once it arrives.
Once again this site is proofing very helpful. I bought mine direct from Oneida, i should have been notified of this vs. stumbling accross this post by chance.
11/18 update -Any day i hope, its been 3 weeks.
11/20 - I fell through the cracks apparently, they didnt send anything. Glad i called or i would still be waiting. I am a irritated because i followed the instructions posted here by Jeff and still i was forgotten about. Make sure you follow up after filling out the form to make sure they got your order. Now i have to wait another week... I would have expected faster shipping to make up for dropping the ball on my kit.
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