Toolie Tool Question:

[sp3851]

I read in one of the topics that the toolie tool is being discontinued.

Being new to Festool, my question is the tools standard or metric ?
The Festool USA catalog gives the description of:
"Keys to fit all fasteners used in Festool tools" Item no. 490 833

I have one on hold from a local Woodcraft store and just wanted to make sure if I would really need the tool.

I did search the entire forum on toolie tool and did find a few responses. Just wanted to know what
more that a couple users think of the tool.

Thanks in advance for your input.

Steve

 

[Daviddubya]

The hex wrenches in the Toolie are metric.  I have one and use it frequently - it is quite handy to have, IMHO.

 

[Ned]

Being new to Festool, my question is the tools standard or metric ?

Festool is 100% metric.  Metric dimensions, metric fasteners, metric wrenches required.

I have one on hold from a local Woodcraft store and just wanted to make sure if I would really need the tool.

It's handy to have the tools you need in one place.  The Toolie is the easiest (and cheapest) way to make sure you've got the sizes you need.

Another handy tool is the Y-shaped Park Tool AWS-1 (4, 5, 6mm) available at bicycle shops.  If it'll work, it's the one I grab first.  Otherwise, it's the Toolie.

Ned

 

[CharlesWilson]

Festool is 100% metric.  Metric dimensions, metric fasteners, metric wrenches required.

I may be mistaken, but I don't think that their anniversary watch is metric.

Charles

 

[Daviddubya]

Festool is 100% metric.  Metric dimensions, metric fasteners, metric wrenches required....

Ned

Maybe I learned something today?  The Toolie has three torx (star) wrenches - is there a difference in metric for torx?  There are two screwdriver blades as well.  I'm sure the straight screwdriver blade is universal.  What about the Phillips blade - is there a metric Phillips?  For sure the four allen wrenches are metirc.

 

[Eli]

Torx is Torx I think. The PH could be PZ (phillips-pozidrive). Agreed, for sure the allens are metric.

 

[Ned]

Eli's right.  Torx is Torx.

Wikipedia: 

The same series of TORX drivers is used to drive SAE, metric and other thread system fasteners, reducing the number of bit sizes required.

The "Phillips" driver in the Toolie is a PZ 2, a Pozi-Drive.  I think North American and Euro Phillips are the same, but Japanese standards are different.

Wikipedia again: 

Differences

The differences lie in the way that the drivers are machined. The Phillips driver has 4 simple slots cut out of it, whereas in the case of the Pozidriv each slot is the result of two machining processes at right angles. The result of this is that the arms of the cross are parallel sided in the case of Pozidriv, and tapered in the case of Phillips. The pozidriv has four additional points of contact, and does not have the rounded corners that the Phillips screw drive has. In ANSI standards it is referred to as type IA.[1]

The pozidriv screw can easily be distinguished by a line embossed in the screw head at 45 degrees to the slots for the driver. Thus, if the driver slots are at 0, 90, 180 and 270 degrees, the marker lines are at 45, 135, 225 and 315 degrees.

Advantages over Phillips type

This design is intended to decrease the likelihood that the Pozidriv screwdriver will slip out, provide a greater driving surface, and decrease wear and tear.[2] The marker lines on a Pozidriv screwdriver will not fit a Phillips screw correctly, and are likely to slip or tear out the screw head. Phillips screwdrivers will fit in and turn Pozidriv screws, but will cam out if enough torque is applied, potentially stripping the screw.

The chief disadvantage of Pozidriv screws is that they are far less common than Phillips, thus many people are unaware or do not own the correct drivers for them, and use incorrect screwdrivers. This results in difficulty in unscrewing the screw and in damage to the slot, rendering any subsequent use of a correct screwdriver unsatisfactory.

Ned

 

[Texastutt]

The "Phillips" driver in the Toolie is a PZ 2, a Pozi-Drive.  I think North American and Euro Phillips are the same, but Japanese standards are different.

Nope Pozi drive and philips are not the same. the pozi drive has a slot in the apex of each of the corners... look at your euro hinges. Blum gives out a nice orange screwdriver which fits #2 pozi for euro hinges... in my tool bag as I leave a kitchen getting all the doors and drawers straight.

 

[Eli]

He was saying phillips is phillips, not phillips the same as pozi in other countries.

 

[Daviddubya]

He was saying phillips is phillips, not phillips the same as pozi in other countries.

Maybe the "Phillips" blade on the Toolie is actually a pozi-drive blade?  Hmmm.

 

[Eli]

That would be pretty likely.

 

[greg mann]

Actually, Eli, Torx is not always Torx. There is a new and improved Torx called Torx Plus and the drivers are not perfectly interchangeable. Torx Plus uses a slightly different spline form. It is better and will probably superesede the standard Torx over the next few years for many OEM applications. Sometimes there are downsides to continuous improvemnts, eh?

 

[Eli]

Yes, if you want to be really picky there's also torx security and external torx. But for the purpose of this discussion, torx is torx, meaning there is only one sizing system, not either imperial or metric. Torx are numbered.

Torx plus, Torx security, or External Torx are totally different drivers, as you pointed out.

 

[Ned]

Maybe the "Phillips" blade on the Toolie is actually a pozi-drive blade?  Hmmm.

Yes it is.

 

[Michael Kellough]

Maybe the "Phillips" blade on the Toolie is actually a pozi-drive blade?  Hmmm.

Yes it is.

The PZ driver seems like a lousy phillips driver until you try it on and genuine PZ screw.
Then, you're amazed at how much better it fits/works than ordinary phillips bits and drivers.