Trion barrel grip and newer hose, not working together

[ReneS]

I just received the Trion barrel grip from Recon, and the hose won't attach when the plug it cord is inserted, or vice versa. I have the smaller hose (27 mm??) with the bayonet attachment.

Is this a known issue?

Has anyone used a newer hose with the Trion barrel grip.

I am working with Festool USA customer service but thought I would ask here.

 

[onocoffee]

On my barrel grip Trion, they are close and probably touching when fully connected. But I've never had an issue getting both to connect with the newer style D27 hose and newer type dust port.

 

[ReneS]

Thanks! I will try again. I was worried about breaking something.

Edit: Ok. I was able to get both on at the same time. Had to push the dust extractor adapter down to get the plug it on, but it worked.

Thanks again.

 

[Crazyraceguy]

The RO125 is very close too. They don't interfere, but it is so close that you have to tighten the cord before slipping the hose on. Strangely, RO90 has much more distance between them.

 

[Coen]

RO90 is the newest design? Then they learned.

 

[bwehman]

There's zero clearance between the D27 hose and the Trion, but they do fit. I sometimes find it easier to plug in the cord, then mount the hose to the dust port disconnected from the Trion, and then insert the dust chute and hose assembly together.

 

[ReneS]

That is what the guy at festol u s a told me to do, and it seems like the only way to connect things without going crazy.

But now my issue is seeing what I am cutting. The dust shroud makes it very difficult to see the blade. I have been practicing and getting better.But it seems like a lot of work to cut accurately.

Maybe I am doing something wrong.I did clean the dust shroud, and that helped a little bit.

 

[Michael Kellough]

That is what the guy at festol u s a told me to do, and it seems like the only way to connect things without going crazy.

But now my issue is seeing what I am cutting. The dust shroud makes it very difficult to see the blade. I have been practicing and getting better.But it seems like a lot of work to cut accurately.

Maybe I am doing something wrong.I did clean the dust shroud, and that helped a little bit.

Oh, you want to cut accurately?

In that case you have to take off the hose. And probably the plastic windshield too.
Sad but true. I’ve used all the jigsaws that allow connection to a dust hose and in all cases the hose impedes accurately following a line. The farther away from the blade the hose is the more leverage it has and the more difficult your job is.

What I usually do is just hold the vac hose against the side of the shoe near the blade and proceed. It’s like using 1-1/2 hands. A couple of times I switched to a lighter weight hose and taped it to the jigsaw.

Best result is when you have an assistant hold the vac hose. Next best is to have the assistant blow the dust away, with a low speed blower.

 

[onocoffee]

Yeah, actually seeing the blade cutting the material. That's a tough one. Like Michael said, you want to pull the dust collector and the front shield off for the best view - then you have sawdust buildup to contend with. Not to mention that it's just dark under the hood.

Since the dust collection is what's important to me, I keep it all on and try to put a light on it - when I need to see the cut. A lot of times I'm rough cutting pieces that I'll use templates later to trim, so I end up using the notches on the foot to guide the cut.

I think the Mafell P1CC is better. I've only toyed with the display at a dealer but have not actually used one.

 

[ReneS]

It is a sad day in Mudville, lol.

Thanks for the responses guys. I did use a light on my last practice cut, and that helped. I was peering through the slit in the dust shroud to see the blade. Quite the experience.

I also tried using the slit as a guide for making rougher cuts. But since for template prep you want to be pretty close to the cut line, it can get a little dicey.

At this point, I like the Carvex better. I did the stability fix, and it is tracking quite nicely. I bought the Trion on a whim when it popped up on Recon.

 

[flair woodworks]

Remove the dust chute from the base of the Trion and connect it to the dust hose. Then connect the Plug-it cord. Then pop the dust chute back in.

Regarding the dust shroud, I have widened the slot on mine for better visibility with no apparent effect on dust extraction.

 

[Cheese]

I think the Mafell P1CC is better. I've only toyed with the display at a dealer but have not actually used one.

When I was using the Trion for critical cuts, I always removed the clear shield, it's just easier to see the cut line.

The Mafell doesn't offer a clear shield so I did a dust collection comparison between the Mafell, Trion & Carvex. Unfortunately, the Trion does need that clear shield to keep things tidy...the Mafell...not so much. Here are a couple of photos.

Even more interesting though is that the Trion is better at dust collection than the Carvex both with and without the clear shield installed.

 

[ReneS]

Remove the dust chute from the base of the Trion and connect it to the dust hose. Then connect the Plug-it cord. Then pop the dust chute back in.

Regarding the dust shroud, I have widened the slot on mine for better visibility with no apparent effect on dust extraction.

That's a great idea. Thank you.

 

[Coen]

Oh, you want to cut accurately?

In that case you have to take off the hose. And probably the plastic windshield too.
Sad but true. I’ve used all the jigsaws that allow connection to a dust hose and in all cases the hose impedes accurately following a line. The farther away from the blade the hose is the more leverage it has and the more difficult your job is.

What I usually do is just hold the vac hose against the side of the shoe near the blade and proceed. It’s like using 1-1/2 hands. A couple of times I switched to a lighter weight hose and taped it to the jigsaw.

Best result is when you have an assistant hold the vac hose. Next best is to have the assistant blow the dust away, with a low speed blower.

You can of course hold the hose in such a way it doesn't have leverage over the tool. Especially with the smooth hoses now that is very easy.

 

[Crazyraceguy]

RO90 is the newest design? Then they learned.

Yes, but it sure seems like an easy thing to be aware of, in the earlier design? So many things were so carefully though out, it seems out of place. It's not like the very old tools that were pre Plug-it but never updated.

Yeah, actually seeing the blade cutting the material. That's a tough one. Like Michael said, you want to pull the dust collector and the front shield off for the best view - then you have sawdust buildup to contend with. Not to mention that it's just dark under the hood.

That is the advantage of Carvex, the strobing light is brilliant. (Pun not intended, but it works)

It still takes two hands though, one holding the hose and the other controlling the cutting means you have to clamp your part to something solid.

 

[Coen]

Yes, but it sure seems like an easy thing to be aware of, in the earlier design? So many things were so carefully though out, it seems out of place. It's not like the very old tools that were pre Plug-it but never updated.

Wasn't the Plug-It connector made fatter, later on?

 

[ReneS]

Yes, but it sure seems like an easy thing to be aware of, in the earlier design? So many things were so carefully though out, it seems out of place. It's not like the very old tools that were pre Plug-it but never updated.

As a guy who is relatively new to the Festool universe, this is something that has continuously surprised me. So many little things that were let go that tarnish the experience. And having been on FOG for almost two years, I see that a lot of people feel the dame way. To those who say, 'Yeah but they make decisions based on economy, profitability, etc.,' I would say many of these annoyances seem to be relatively easy to address.

That is the advantage of Carvex, the strobing light is brilliant. (Pun not intended, but it works)

Having started with the Carvex and used it a fair bit, the Trion's lack of a light and my difficulty seeing the blade was jarring.

It still takes two hands though, one holding the hose and the other controlling the cutting means you have to clamp your part to something solid.

Based on my experience with jiggly saws (pun intended), I almost always clamp the work piece. Seeing videos of people "freehanding" a cut with a jig saw always makes me wonder how they get an accurate, clean cut. But I guess years and years of practice makes tasks like that easier.

 

[Coen]

The right blade makes it easier too. And correct adjustment of the jaws.