TS55 cutting concrete / granite?

bigbadpig

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I am looking to make a notched cut through the front lip of a granite countertop, so precision would be important.

Has anyone configured their TS55 to cut concrete or granite?  I know there isn't a festool blade out there that cuts stone, but there are some diamond blades out there in the market.

Maybe I'd be better off using an old worm drive saw for this (outfitted with a diamond disk)?   Any advice would be appreciated.
 
send a PM to Bill in Seattle, (search members list) the dealer. He'd give you the best answer for this, being a countertop fabricator. I think your second option seems better. How about an angle grinder?
 
Is there not a stone fabricator available you can take this to?

You have to control the dust, silicon dist isn't wood dust.  This is also outdoor work, I wouldn't recommend doing this in the house, and that dust will clog up those expensice filters on your festool vac pretty quick.

Man, I'd hate to torture my expensive cabinet saw cutting stone.  If you have another CS, I'd use it.
 
The subject of using Festool saws has come up elsewhere on this forum.  I have basically made the same reply each time: DON'T.

Masonry dust can get into every port and pore.  It can be terrible stuff on tools, especially tools NOT designed for masonry.  Steveo and others have given good thoughts.  Either rent the proper tools or find a good fabricator contractor or shop.  They are equiped to handle the cutting, precision and above all, the dust.

If you do get the right tools/equipment, do the work outside:  Read first sentence of second paragraph of this post.

The upcoming story (more torture on the way 8) ) is not about sawing masonry, but the described results can be common to any masonry cutting operation inside of a house.

I had run into a finnishing problem on a concrete floor I was pouring in the late November or early December.  It was one of those nice warm November or early December days when the sun was warm and even tho it was expected to become extremely cold sometime after midnite, there was plenty of time to get the concrete down, finish troweling and get the mats down to protect from the expected cold long before danger arrived.  The first truck arrived right on schedule.  We poured, screded and struck off as we waited for second truck to arrive.  It was only 8:30 am and we were in good shape, only "where is that second truck?"  Pretty soon it was WHERE IN H--- IS THAT OTHER TRUCK??? >:( >:( >:(.

By 9:30 I was on the phone and was assured the truck was right around the corner.  10:30 and still no truck.  By 2 pm the phone line was melting.  i finaly called my other supplier from some 30 miles further away and explained my problem (turned out, first supplier, unknown to me at the time, was having financial problems and were more interrested in discussions with their lawyers than in actually doing business.  they were out of biz by the end of the week).  they promised to have a truck to me by 4pm.  sure enough, they arrived as promised.  Big problem was that first load had already set and we could actually walk on it.  we should have been covering instead of adding a second pour.  End result, We made a mess of the edge of original pour and a worse problem with second portion of the pour.  I ended up troweling all nite long, finally adding the mats just before daybreak with temp down around 20?F.  I was unable to get a smooth finish to the floor, but could not afford to leave it unprotected any longer. 

Result: very rough finish.
Options discussed with building contractor and owners (all, thankfully, good friends of long standing): 
A  We could rip out and start over
B  We could make second overlay pour
C  We could rent a terrazzo machine (heavy grinder used for fine finishing artistic stone finish of concrete, tile or stone) and grind smooth.  we could then wash down and apply a finish (won't get into that part of the story)

It was decided to try the terrazzo machine.  We decided on the week between Christmas and New Years while the owners were away on vacation..  The day before renting the machine, i went over to the site and personally covered with tape, every crack and opening between the floor and the main house.  i sealed everything.  Everything???

The next day, i attacked the floor with the heavy machine (the builder came over to give me a hand unloading.  Those things weigh a ton) There was no water on the job as the water system was in shut down as it was being added on to, or whatever.  since i had closed all cracks, there was no need to wait for water to flush the surface and eliminate dust problems.  Who cares if I suffocated, atleast we were protecting the rest of the house.  If I goofed, my backhoe was on site and they could just bury me right there ???.  In the end, the job came out perfect.  The builder was happy and sure the owners would appreciate as well.

New Years Eve, i was at a friend's house when i got a phone call from the builder.  He told me to call the owners.

To make a looonnnngggggg story short, i called and was greeted with an irate tale of grief (more like horror).  It seems i had neglected to close off a cold air return duct (I had been unaware that the heating system had been redisigned to be hot air so airconditioning could be installed. the duct, being in an undisturbed area for my work had been somehow hidden from view and i missed covering it)  it seems that every square inch of the house was coated with the white grinding dust.  The downstairs rooms, uostairs rooms, closets, beureau drawers, inside and out, even the inside coverings of beds and the mattresses were covered with the fine dust.

Bill, I'm so sorry.  i will come right over and give you a hand.  I'll see if i can find extra help.

Tinker, If i see you anywhere near here, I'll personally kill you!!!

Well, they eventually got the mess cleaned up.  By taking the advise of the builder, i took heed to the warning i had received.

Within a week, we were all back on speaking terms and the story of Tinker's Dust has been dutifully archived in the memories of all concerned.  It even managed to come up in mutual conversations over the years without even a hint of pending bloodshed.  Even some laughs, even tho I did squirm over the story a few times.

The point is, that whether you are using a terrazzo machine, as i had done, or any kind of cutting tool, when you cut masonry, you must prepare in advance to protect your (or their) property.  Check and recheck.  Once you know the property is protected, you must decide whether you and your tools are expendable.  It is probably best to protect from that end also. :o
Tinker
 
Great example Tinker. 

Masonry dust, including that of stone has a life and mind of it's own.  When we did interior demo of block walls in offices, we used spray bottles for dust contol.

For those of you who don't know, terrazzo is ground using LOTS of water.  It creates a lot of wet, ground concrete and marble dust  affectionately called around here as "slop".

Terrazzo is an awesome looking floor, but thats for another blog.

Steve
 
Hi All,

New here-first post.  I'm a tilesetter in Seattle and am starting to get into woodworking.  Bought a TS55 last week and came across the forum-lots of great info!

Anyway, I just wanted to chime in that I use a worm saw with a diamond blade for cutting granite pretty regularly, works for 2 and 3 cm just fine.  I have a hose adapter with a 1/4" pex line to spray a light stream along the side of the blade to keep the dust to pretty much zero.  Just plan on tarping off the cabinets/floor to collect the slurry.

Matt
 
Steveo48 said:
Great example Tinker. 

Masonry dust, including that of stone has a life and mind of it's own.  When we did interior demo of block walls in offices, we used spray bottles for dust contol.

For those of you who don't know, terrazzo is ground using LOTS of water.  It creates a lot of wet, ground concrete and marble dust  affectionately called around here as "slop".

Terrazzo is an awesome looking floor, but thats for another blog.

Steve

For those who might not understand terrazzo, they may have seen walks and terrace slabs with exposed stone, usually of a different color from the concrete mix itself.  The concrete is poured, partially finished and then washed to expose the stones.  I have done that, but not true terrazzo.  i usually subbed that out to speciallists.
Tinker
 
It sounds like your describing exposed aggregrate Tinker, or am I missing something here?

Steve

Tinker said:
For those who might not understand terrazzo, they may have seen walks and terrace slabs with exposed stone, usually of a different color from the concrete mix itself.  The concrete is poured, partially finished and then washed to expose the stones.  I have done that, but not true terrazzo.  i usually subbed that out to speciallists.
Tinker
 
thanks for the reply folks,  it looks like using the TS55 would not be recommended, too bad considering its dust collection abilities.

The notch I am trying to cut is a 1/4 inch wide by 1 inch slot through the front of the countertop.  As the countertop is already installed, removing it to do the cut would not be an option.  I guess a worm drive saw with a diamond blade and liquid lubricant is the best option......
 
Steveo48 said:
It sounds like your describing exposed aggregrate Tinker, or am I missing something here?

Steve

Tinker said:
For those who might not understand terrazzo, they may have seen walks and terrace slabs with exposed stone, usually of a different color from the concrete mix itself.  The concrete is poured, partially finished and then washed to expose the stones.  I have done that, but not true terrazzo.  i usually subbed that out to speciallists.
Tinker

Correct.
I was just sorting out the difference between exposed agregate and terrazzo. 

I have done the exposed many times but not actual terrazzo.
Tinker
 
Steveo48 said:
What are you trying to accomplish here? 

I have a shower area where the lip of the the bathroom countertop intrudes into,  because of this a custom cut piece of glass has to go around the countertop slab to form the glass wall of the shower.  This area is prone to glass fracture because of the the number of 90 degree angles (essentially a small square notch) that are cut into the glass in that small area.  The glass has already cracked there once and needs to be replaced.  If a notch were cut into the front lip of the counter, you could put a piece of glass there with only one corner (instead of 3) thereby reducing the stress of the glass.

Another option would be to use thicker glass (maybe 3/8" or 1/2"), but I'm not sure if that would completely solve the problem.

 
You really should cut out side with a water type saw.  It is the only real way to keep the dust down.  I think makita or malwalky makes a small one that takes water. 
 
David, could you cut the glass instead of the granite?  Have it put back together with zinc came like a stained glass window? Glass HATES those types of unsupported cuts.  You might be able to get somebody in your area who does art glass to make it for you at a much better price than notching the granite.

I think my current image is my stained glass window laying on the pattern before I soldered it together.

Steve
 
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