Used CT22 or new CT26?

ddh

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I was about to make my first Festool purchase, a CT26 and OF1400 combo when I found a CT22E used locally for about half the price of a new CT26. 

1) If you had a well working CT22, would you upgrade to the CT26, if money was not an issue?
2) Are there any components in particular to pay attention to when looking at the used CT22 unit?

Thanks for any advice!
 
Hi I wood go for the ct26 every time if funds allow

the three year waranty and top spec  filtering

make it a worthwhile investment..

and welcome to the fog
 
ddh said:
1) If you had a well working CT22, would you upgrade to the CT26, if money was not an issue?

I would and I did.

ddh said:
2) Are there any components in particular to pay attention to when looking at the used CT22 unit?

The main things you want to pay attention to when buying used tools are the parts that cost the most to replace. These are generally the motor and the electronics module. Listen to how the motor sounds to hear if it sounds like a healthy motor and doesn't have any strange rattles and hums. The electronics is the part that regulates the variable speed, check out the knob and see if it changes the motor's speed without problems or hiccups.

Finally, with a vac, you'll want to check the hose to see if it has no holes. The green anti-static hoses of Festool are very expensive to replace.  

Shortly after I bought my used CT 22 it developed a very irritating rattle of the shell. Made a lot of noise. While I was pretty satisfied with my 22 at first this aggrevated noise made me decide to get rid of it (with profit) and buy a new CT 26.  

I like the 26 a lot more than the 22. The bags are nicer, the whole unit is a bit smaller, the suction is 10% higher and the noise a tiny bit less. I find changing the bag easier now that the top simply comes off instead of the 22 where it opens on a hinge. And the 26 doesn't have the water sensing prongs inside that frequently punctured the bags of the 22. And the look is way better. All in all a very fine upgrade.

The 22 was a nice vac too, until it developed the rattle. That mine did doesn't mean other 22's will also develop this rattle. If you think the cost savings are significant for you, you could be very satisfied with a 22. It still is a very good vac. But I think the next generation 26 is a little bit better.  
 
I would be asking the question on why you don't go for the CT36 as that router does make quite a bit of debris.  For the price difference between the 26 vs 36, I went with the larger unit as I'd rather not be changing bags every 3-5 days when using my tools.

Matt
 
I have the 22 and love it.  I debated this very same thing but ultimately decided to keep the 22 and add a Dust Deputy to it.  If you are saving half the cost that could mean a sander or $ towards a tool!  8)
 
I've got 1 of each.

I think the 26 is vastly improved over the 22, especially with the bags.

It appears that the fiber 26 bags breathe allot easier, and hold far more than the paper 22 bags.

So my 22 is now relegated to strictly the Kapex, and the 26 is used for everything else.
 
matt.mackinnon said:
I would be asking the question on why you don't go for the CT36 as that router does make quite a bit of debris.  For the price difference between the 26 vs 36, I went with the larger unit as I'd rather not be changing bags every 3-5 days when using my tools.

Matt
This is a good point as well.  Are you shop based or on-site most of the time?  I am shop based and did regret not getting the bigger CT33 at the time.  The router will fill up bags pretty fast.  That is why I decided to add the Ultimate Dust Deputy and now, no more bag changes!
 
Thanks for all the responses and opinions!  I should have given a little more background info.  I'm strictly a hobbyist and so I am shop based.  I am definitely planning on using the Dust Deputy with whichever unit I end up with.  I'm not a fan of bag changes and think that in the long run, the DD is a good investment.

With the savings of the used unit, I was planning on using it towards one of the finishing sanders, likely the ETS 150/3.  Alex's advise on what to look out for in the used unit makes a lot of sense. 

Looks like the gentleman that I'm talking too is in the process of changing professions and have several older style units that he's looking to unload too.  ATF 55 E-Plus, OF 1000, RO 150- E  and PS 2 E-Plus.  I guess I'll be spending a little more time at his shop than I originally planned!

 
CT-22 is good vacuum, CT-26 is better.
      $200-$300 are good money too.
CT-48 has bigger capacity.
     Dust deputy saves a lot of bags.
3 years of warranty is excellent warranty
      Festool tools last forever.
I've seen this gentleman's ad, but prices were a little bit too high for 5-7 years old tools.

 
I had a CT22 but found that I was filling my bags very quickly so I decided to upgrade. Looked at the CT26 but decided to pay the little extra and went for a CT36 because of the larger capacity.
thx
Lambeater
 
I don't think capacity is going to be a real issue for me with either the CT22 or CT26, especially with the DD so the larger capacity really isn't an issue for me.  People seem to mention the 3 year warranty as a big plus for the new tools, but I was always under the impression at the same time that Festool tools do last "forever" and uncommonly have problems.

Victor - Yup, I thought the same thing as you too.  Looks like he is willing to cut his "package" price by another $500 to forgo the hassle of dealing with multiple buyers.  I have to admit, being new to Festool, I have a hard time pricing used units.

 
It's a dust extractor, It probably won't be your last. Go for the 22 and buy more tools. It's really nice to have two or more extractors in a fully setup shop. The 22's have cloth bags now and excellent filtration. Make sure you check the tool plug and see that it grips well.  It is an easy item to fix but could be used to bring down the price in your favor.

If you have any plans to do RRP (lead abatement) work then go for the 26.
 
Kevin Stricker said:
It's a dust extractor, It probably won't be your last. Go for the 22 and buy more tools. It's really nice to have two or more extractors in a fully setup shop. The 22's have cloth bags now and excellent filtration. Make sure you check the tool plug and see that it grips well.  It is an easy item to fix but could be used to bring down the price in your favor.

If you have any plans to do RRP (lead abatement) work then go for the 26.

I was not aware that cloth bags are available for the ct22,where can they be found?
 
Not so much cloth bags, but they have introduced new style bags which don't self-destruct like the CRAP CT22 paper bags.

Festool ought to offer a rebate program for users that bought CT 22 paper bags and lost probably 40% due to blow outs...

The power outlet issue IS something Festool takes care of - they'll send you one no problem and they switch out fairly quickly.

JT
 
ghostofhoward said:
Kevin Stricker said:
It's a dust extractor, It probably won't be your last. Go for the 22 and buy more tools. It's really nice to have two or more extractors in a fully setup shop. The 22's have cloth bags now and excellent filtration. Make sure you check the tool plug and see that it grips well.  It is an easy item to fix but could be used to bring down the price in your favor.

If you have any plans to do RRP (lead abatement) work then go for the 26.

I was not aware that cloth bags are available for the ct22,where can they be found?

They are fleece bags, much nicer than the old paper bags.
 
I bought a used CT22 when I got fed up with my other vac. In a way, I do regret buying it used and I'll tell you why; the vac is THE tool that you run the most, as you hook it up to almost all your other tools. Thus will see more operational hours than most of your other tools in the same timeperiod. Mine was starting to make funny noises when I turned it off last summer, so I don't expect it to last much longer than thru this year.

Having said this, do I regret having bought it? Heck no! It's been a great vac at a great price for me. And as an enthusiast, I don't use my tools anywhere near as much as they were designed to withstand, so I still get great milage from used tools. I find it's an excellent way to test new tools at a cheaper price and if I like them and they break, I can buy the next one new, which is what I'll do whenever my CT22 gives in. At that point I'll probably go for the CT26AC since I like to have some mobility..

If I was in the OP's shoes, I'd buy the used CT22 unless it looks like crap and sounds even worse as that would allow me to buy more toys instead...
 
Way back, in January 2006, I bought my very first Festool, a TS55 with 2 extra 1400mm rails, the rail accessory kit in a Systainer, a pair of Quick clamps and 2 extra fine tooth saw blades. My dealer had both a CT22 and a CT33 in his demo room, each with a bag nearly half full. I was encouraged to open those extractors to become at one with the bags. By then the days when I handled 4x8' sheets of 1.25" plywood were long gone. I realized that with the larger capacity CT33 I would use fewer bags, but those bags would be much heavier, when full, that the smaller CT22 bags. I thought that over for a few minutes and added the CT22 to my order. The next day I went back for a tradesman cleaning set with a 38mm x  5m AS hose.

The following week a good friend, having seen my Festool saw and CT in action, went to the same dealer to get Festools for himself. He believes in "More Power" and "Bigger is always Better" so he selected a CT33. I sell the cabinets and so on I build. My friend is a hobby woodworker. I have lost count how often he has asked for my help removing a bag from his CT33!

In 2009 I had so many Festools and often in two different rented shops, that I bought another new CT22, to which I added a boom arm. I had built a boom arm for my first CT22 based on a movie industry senior reflector stand, of which I had a spare. When the time came for the second boom arm I considered building another, until I found the price of the reflector stand then was more than the complete Festool boom system.

In late 2009 I had decided to build a really large shop in an industrial building, which I tasked a realtor to locate. By then I had seen the CT26 and CT36 in Europe. I assumed eventually they would be available in the USA, but I was very happy with my CT22. I have never experienced blow-out of CT22 bags, but then I do not sand drywall. I reasoned that if I stuck with CT22 I only needed to stock one kind of bag. I also suspected that as the USA launch of the CT26 approached, there would be people offering good deals on slightly used CT22s. Besides my favorite Festool dealer I visited others close to me, mentioning that when the price was right, I was in the market for good used CT22.

As the renovations of my industrial building started, I hired a staff of 6 other cabinet makers, all experienced and super talented. All of us owned some Festools. Knowing I would need at least 6 CTs in addition to the plant Dust Collection system, I offered all those fellows a deal: I would lease any of their personal CTs and then buy and CT22s they wished to sell. Unfortunately among them there was only one CT22. So when the CT26/36 arrived, I bought 3 slightly used, as well as that personal CT22. For use on sites, I did buy a new CT36, which has recently been certified HEPA.

As for reliability, my first 2006 CT22 has been used a few hours 5 days a week since then without the need for any factory service. As I do with electrical outlets on many other things, I have left a short 14 gauge grounded extension cable plugged into the CTs. That way any wear is with the female end of the extension cable. I have never needed to replace the receptacle on any of my CT.

Yes, knowing the fleece CT22 bags were coming I did let my inventory of the paper bags run low. I have had excellent results from the new fleece bags.
 
I have at CT22 and CT26.

The only time the CT26 performs better is when I generate a lot of fine dust - sanding.  For the CT22, I noticeably loose suction over time but this is alleviated by opening the vac and tapping the paper bag a few times.  The CT26 doesn't experience this inconvenience.

Other than that, the differences are not consequential, IMO.

I prefer the brakes on the CT22 over the brakes on the CT26.
 
wood pulp said:
I have the 22 and love it.  I debated this very same thing but ultimately decided to keep the 22 and add a Dust Deputy to it.  If you are saving half the cost that could mean a sander or $ towards a tool!   8)

Here is a picture of how I set mine up.  Capacity is no issue!
 
matt.mackinnon said:
I would be asking the question on why you don't go for the CT36 as that router does make quite a bit of debris.  For the price difference between the 26 vs 36, I went with the larger unit as I'd rather not be changing bags every 3-5 days when using my tools.

Matt

I agree.  I have the CT36, and find it to be JUST the right height, both for pushing around and for carrying. Even with one systainer on it, which I rarely use, it's not too high. - The extra capacity is just a bonus.
I would hate to have to lean further over all the time.  Hard on the back.

As for weight, with the 36 almost full with plaster dust, it does get almost too heavy to carry, (at least the bag didn't rip!) but with sawdust it's no problem.

Also, I believe the new machines are slightly more powerful AND quieter. (Different motor.) This matters to me as I also use my CT36 for cleanup duties.

If you get the CT22, definitely also invest in the new HEPA filter, assuming they make them for that vac.  It is better sealed than the old ones, and won't pass small amounts of micro-dust back into the air.  - And factor that $60 cost into your decision, since the new vacs already come with these filters.
 
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