Using a FESTOOL router With trend hinge jig

[bopperontbay]

Hello I have just been fitting 25  internal doors in a very posh house where the home owner is very much a clean freak the house is absolutely spotless. I borrowed a of1010 from a friend to use with the trend hinge jig as I thought the added dust collection would be just what I was looking for but then found out that FESTOOL do not make the correct size guide bush (16mm) for the hinge jig which I thought is a bit strange anyhow I ended up using an old bosch router for the job which made a mess but hay ho job done.
My question is there a way around this I was thinking about buying a small FESTOOL router but this has now put me off I also have a staircase jig and would prob have the same prob.
Is this a only centrotec bits fit the FESTOOL chuck only kinda situation I just find it weird cos FESTOOL don't make these jigs and I feel they surely must be missing out on sales from this it just does not make sense to me.

I replaced my of2000 last year  which died eventually after doing worktops for over 20 years week in week out I prob could have got it fixed but I went for a of2200 which I love now I have got used to the extra weight.  I just love the accuracy of these routers and thought the of 1010 would compliment my of2200 but now I'm having second thoughts.

Why would they not offer the guide bushes I just don't get it.

Does anyone have a work around

Thanks in advance

 

[Ken Nagrod]

Can't you just use the standard Porter Cable style template guide bushings in the OF 1010?  I'm using the MFK 700 right now with a 5/8" (42045) guide bushing and 1/2" mortising bit for a bunch of doors.

BTW, 5/8" is approximately 16mm.

 

[bopperontbay]

I'm not sure I do not have any experiences with the porter cable guide bushes will they fit the FESTOOL base plates

 

[DKurzweil]

There is a "standard" adapter plate that accepts other brands brass bushings.

I am sure someone else here has the part number.

Daniel

Edit:  Found the item number:  469625 1010 router
                                            493566 1400 router
                                            494627 2200 router

 

[Ken Nagrod]

469625

 

[bopperontbay]

I have looked for this part and can't find it in the uk I have also looked for the brass bushings but cannot find them either in the uk guess you do things differently in the USA.

 

[joiner1970]

Not easy to get here in the UK I bet, those portercable bushes.

I'm surprised those trend jigs need a 16mm bush thought it would be 17mm which u can get for the 1010. I hate trend stuff myself I think its over priced rubbish. I prefer scoring the doors with a knife then either rout freehand or use an mdf jig. I fit lots of doors each year and we tried the long metal trend jig years ago but no one liked it .

I've just bought the new Makita little trimmer router ideal for hinges.

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[Ken Nagrod]

Well, if any of you guys over there want to add those guide bushings to the intercontinental transit line, let me know.  The only thing I don't like about these screw-in guide bushings is that you HAVE to make sure they're in tight.  I had them back out several times while routing and the steel ones I use damage both the router bit's carbide and the inside of the guide bushing.  Just be careful how you tighten them down so you're not putting tooth marks in the outside surface of the guide from something like a plier or making it out of round -- tricky.

 

[bopperontbay]

Think I will pass on the brass bushes don't like the sound of them.

I know what you mean about trend some stuff they just buy in and rebrand it and it's not very good  but they do make some pretty good stuff I use  aswell.  The rota tip replaceable router cutters for worktops are amazing they just go on and on and on then you flip the blade and you are good to go again.  I also like the workttop jigs and the offset scriber.

They are easily available so I normally buy trend router cutters as I can get them easily.

 

[tjbnwi]

I have found with the 1010 you must use the centering mandrel to be certian the bushing is located properly.

http://www.tool-home.com/products/catalog/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=Festool+centering+mandrel&x=0&y=0

Tom

 

[Troll]

I use the Trend hinge jig with the OF1010 and the standard 17mm guide bush.  The Trend jig does requires a 16mm bush.  The simple way around this is to use a 1mm bigger 'setting spacer' when setting up the jig.  The jig comes with a 4mm spacer which you use with the relevant hinge to set-up the jig.  If you use a 5mm spacer (I use a 5mm twist drill) then that compensates for the over-sized bush.

This works perfectly and means you don't have to bolt on cumbersome adaptor plates to the OF1010.  The Trend hinge jig (the one-piece anyway) is the finest hinge jig I've ever seen or used.  And for that matter so are their worktop jigs.

Troll

 

[joiner1970]

They are easily available so I normally buy trend router cutters as I can get them easily.

I was like you years ago I only used trend cutters then I saw the light.

Try these guyshttp://www.wealdentool.com/

Their cutters are far superior to trend and much cheaper.

Trend used to be good years ago but not now. What I don't like with those hinge jigs is the splintering you get at each end that's why I prefer to score the hinge, you could still do that but it would be a pig to line up each time.

I still have a trend worktop jig which is good but in general I don't rate their stuff.

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[Mfteas up]

I spent a couple of years doing nothing but 2nd fix price work and always made my own jig out of a rip of MDF. Use a cutter with a top bearing (guided trimer) and you do away with having to work out guide bush distances, you just draw round the hinge and cut it out, the bearing follows exactly. Just spend a bit of time making an accurate jig and you're there.

If you have a funny five minutes and wreck the jig its only MDF not an expensive trend jig.

 

[Mfteas up]

Oh should have mentioned the cutter has to be the same diameter as the bearing!

 

[Troll]

I'm sure than home-made jigs are every bit as capable of cutting perfect hinge housings.  However, surely the key element in production / price-work is the speed of operation.  The Trend jig, once set-up; a few minutes process, eliminates any further measuring or marking-out and is capable of cutting all the housing on the door or the jamb in one operation.  All the hinge housing are perfectly aligned with each other.  You can fix the jig and cut the housing in a door or jamb in a minute or two (if you're not in a hurry).  And importantly on site is that you can achieve perfect results even in low-light levels as there's no free-hand work involved.  As to break-out by the router bit, if you follow standard routing use then break out can only occur on the exit, and you can eliminate this by using a sharp router bit and secondly I find a small cut in with the router on what will be the exit before cutting the housing in the normal way solves this problem.  Of course break-out applies to all routing not just Trend.

When cutting out using a single hinge jig you still have to mark-out all the housing on the door and jamb; a time consuming operation and prone to measuring error.

I've used many jigs in my time but in my experience the Trend jigs (hinge, worktop and lock) are the best available and extremely robust.  Their worktop jigs are brilliantly easy to set-up and thanks to a fully adjustable width stop have the ability to cut joints on any width of worktop not just standard widths. Obviously, everyone has their own experience and preference.

Troll

 

[Mfteas up]

I'm sure than home-made jigs are every bit as capable of cutting perfect hinge housings.  However, surely the key element in production / price-work is the speed of operation.

Correct

With a made jig there is no set up time past the making of the jig. The head margin is marked on the jig so when routing on the frame its tight to the head and when on the door you line it up with the mark secure in place and begin cutting.

We made these jigs before hinge jigs were on the market and i believe they come directly from these kinds of jigs, i'm not saying that a made jig is better than a factory made piece of kit i'm just saying its perfectly possible to do without spending out on a jig.

 

[joiner1970]

As to break-out by the router bit, if you follow standard routing use then break out can only occur on the exit, and you can eliminate this by using a sharp router bit and secondly I find a small cut in with the router on what will be the exit before cutting the housing in the normal way solves this problem. Of course break-out applies to all routing not just Trend.

Troll

It wasn't break out I was talking about , its the top and bottom of the hinge , I and everyone I've ever met with one of these type jigs has the same result , a slight tearing of the cross grain cut ( top and bottom of hinge) not the door edge.

I prefer as I say to score with a knife or if using a knocked up mdf jig and a flush cutter this seems to do the trick as well.

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[Troll]

Mr Mfteas up my reference was to single hinge jigs, i.e. jigs that cut out one hinge at a time and have no ability to set out the hinge positions.

As I stated home-made jigs are capable of achieving the same result, but are perhaps better suited for workshop as opposed to long-term site use.  The reason being they are generally less robust and bulkier.  Yes, you do have to buy the jig but you off-set that against the time spent making one (not the case of course if time is not an issue) and the hinge jig can be adjusted to suit any hinge size or the position (within parameters of the jig) in a matter of minutes.

Mr Joiner1970, I know what you mean but that a result of a dulling router bit and a quick rub with abrasive paper removes it without affecting the finished work in my experience.

Troll

 

[joiner1970]

Mr Troll

Nope it was a brand new cutter.

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[ajones]

How about using a festool 17mm guide bush you would just need a thinner spacer when setting the height of the hinge and allow a mm from the scribed line easy...........

or you could use a 17mm bush and a cutter that is 1mm wider than the standard cutter [doh]