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There's a great thread that was started on the exciting topic of UV Cured Hardwax Oil finishes at this link, specifically the Osmo LED Smart Oil:
I've been getting into this myself with a different brand of Hardwax Oil and thought I'd start a new thread focussing on the hardware required so as to not stray the Osmo thread.
This video by Suman states you need 450mW/cm2 of UV Band A in the 395nm spectrum to fully cure the Hardwax Oil. The trouble is most UV light suppliers don't specify the combined rating of the output at a certain distance. And a LOT of sellers claim specs far exceeding the actual unit's capabilities. The details are around the 14 minute mark:
I started out using a UV Cured resin (not Hardwax Oil finish) to fill in resin voids on my charcuterie boards, but all efforts were fruitless. The first UV torch I had from somewhere unknown literally did nothing, a highly rated "Swiss Tech" torch that had good reviews was bought but seemed to take forever. I then bought a 100 LED torch off Ebay that claimed to be the goods but never really quite cured it despite long exposure times. A large LED panel from Temu was tried next and leaving it almost touching the board for several hours or so sort of cured it, while still leaving it feeling soft and very plasticky.
So as I was spending $270 on a 1L can of Vestings and didn't want to leave the results to chance, I bought a highly reviewed UV Radiometer from Linshang as I needed to commit to a possibly very expensive UV source if the cheap one ($225) I was also buying from Ali didn't stack up. This was well worth it and turned up some surprises.
Starting with the first one, holding it right against the meter nothing was registered so I'm guessing it's just a pretty purple light and not worthy of any pics.
The "Crappy" Ebay 100 LED torch was measured next, and above 20mm the meter barely registered anything, at 20mm and less it peaked at 7mW/cm2. A barely anything result.
The "Crappy" Temu 144 LED Panel was measured next, and at 10mm height the meter peaked at 7mW/cm2. Another barely anything result.
The Swiss Tech torch was next and produced really great results but with a major caveat. While it produced a very impressive 125mW/cm2, the actual working area of the beam as shown in the "Spread" pic is around 35mm diameter at 150mm distance. Moving away from the beam centre dropped to almost zero output. For small items you could work with a 35mm beam, but for boards, panels etc it's pretty much unusable.
I then measured the 40 LED 800W UV from Alipress:
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I was worried it would turn out to be crap, but it works a treat. At the UV Finish manufacturer's spec of 100-150mm distance, it put out a whopping 339mW/cm2. Testing has shown that 2-3 seconds per 300mm travel back and forth is more than enough to fully cure the resin. So aside from any possible faults developing, I'd heartily recommend this unit. It's quite robust too, and at 1/4 the cost of the cheapest recommended UV light source, but at least twice as powerful with a much larger UV spread, it's a bargain.
Just for curiosity, I also measured the UV output outdoors, we're in the middle of Summer in a fairly moderate Melb, at midday it peaked at 16mW/cm2, and late in the arvo it went up to 22mW/cm2. So you could cure the finishes outside, but it will obviously take some time longer.
I figured to start a discussion on Osmo LED Smart Oil, the new almost-instant cure oil that can take the place of Osmo Polyx and Top Oil for interior finish. Unfortunately it's for professional use only due to safety regulations, but anyone with a business license can buy it.
The great benefit is that the oil has a long open time, and cures instantly after a couple passes of an expensive UV lamp—which means two coats and out the door in the same day.
The finish doesn't require an Osmo branded UV LED lamp, but if you want to go that direction, the light retails for about $1900. The oil...
The great benefit is that the oil has a long open time, and cures instantly after a couple passes of an expensive UV lamp—which means two coats and out the door in the same day.
The finish doesn't require an Osmo branded UV LED lamp, but if you want to go that direction, the light retails for about $1900. The oil...
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I've been getting into this myself with a different brand of Hardwax Oil and thought I'd start a new thread focussing on the hardware required so as to not stray the Osmo thread.
This video by Suman states you need 450mW/cm2 of UV Band A in the 395nm spectrum to fully cure the Hardwax Oil. The trouble is most UV light suppliers don't specify the combined rating of the output at a certain distance. And a LOT of sellers claim specs far exceeding the actual unit's capabilities. The details are around the 14 minute mark:
I started out using a UV Cured resin (not Hardwax Oil finish) to fill in resin voids on my charcuterie boards, but all efforts were fruitless. The first UV torch I had from somewhere unknown literally did nothing, a highly rated "Swiss Tech" torch that had good reviews was bought but seemed to take forever. I then bought a 100 LED torch off Ebay that claimed to be the goods but never really quite cured it despite long exposure times. A large LED panel from Temu was tried next and leaving it almost touching the board for several hours or so sort of cured it, while still leaving it feeling soft and very plasticky.
So as I was spending $270 on a 1L can of Vestings and didn't want to leave the results to chance, I bought a highly reviewed UV Radiometer from Linshang as I needed to commit to a possibly very expensive UV source if the cheap one ($225) I was also buying from Ali didn't stack up. This was well worth it and turned up some surprises.
Starting with the first one, holding it right against the meter nothing was registered so I'm guessing it's just a pretty purple light and not worthy of any pics.
The "Crappy" Ebay 100 LED torch was measured next, and above 20mm the meter barely registered anything, at 20mm and less it peaked at 7mW/cm2. A barely anything result.
The "Crappy" Temu 144 LED Panel was measured next, and at 10mm height the meter peaked at 7mW/cm2. Another barely anything result.
The Swiss Tech torch was next and produced really great results but with a major caveat. While it produced a very impressive 125mW/cm2, the actual working area of the beam as shown in the "Spread" pic is around 35mm diameter at 150mm distance. Moving away from the beam centre dropped to almost zero output. For small items you could work with a 35mm beam, but for boards, panels etc it's pretty much unusable.
I then measured the 40 LED 800W UV from Alipress:
UV-Lampe, 700 W, 800 W, UV-Härtungslampe, 365 nm, 395 nm, 405 nm, fluoreszierende Erkennung, schattenloser Kleber, grünes Ölharz, UV-Härtungslampe - AliExpress 39
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I was worried it would turn out to be crap, but it works a treat. At the UV Finish manufacturer's spec of 100-150mm distance, it put out a whopping 339mW/cm2. Testing has shown that 2-3 seconds per 300mm travel back and forth is more than enough to fully cure the resin. So aside from any possible faults developing, I'd heartily recommend this unit. It's quite robust too, and at 1/4 the cost of the cheapest recommended UV light source, but at least twice as powerful with a much larger UV spread, it's a bargain.
Just for curiosity, I also measured the UV output outdoors, we're in the middle of Summer in a fairly moderate Melb, at midday it peaked at 16mW/cm2, and late in the arvo it went up to 22mW/cm2. So you could cure the finishes outside, but it will obviously take some time longer.
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