Vac hose sized for Kapex
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Michael Kellough
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What is the diameter of the boom hose?
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Yeah, that's not a bad idea. The short piece of hose included with the boom is D50, too large for the Kapex.Eiji Fuller said:
Brice Burrell said:
Hi,
How about using the Hose Reducer # 452 897 to reduce the D50 to D36 for the Kapex? Not sure, maybe it would stick up too much? But the additional air flow through the D50 could be good.
Seth
Eiji Fuller said:
Eiji,
That was a very clean, uncluttered thought.
Now, short of Festool coming out with that in the next 6 months,
the other option would be........
Form a "hose club", get four Fog's together, a blade & a wire snipper...
buy 1 #452886, 7m long, D36 hose (antistatic) .......................................@ $183.50
buy 3 #452894, rotating adaptors (to vac) for antistatic...........@ $ 20.00ea = $60.00
buy 3 #487721, reducing sleeve (to tool) for antistatic..............@ $ 16.50ea = $49.50
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total ..............................$293.00
Divide that by 4 (about 1.7m lenghts), = about $73.50 per person.(plus shipping for 3)
(if you did that by 2 Fog's with the shorter length hose (3.5m @$123.50), it would be about $80.00 each, plus (shipping for one)
or.......
........if going with the non anti-static hose, the 7m long hose would be $104.50 & the 3.5m would be $72.50,
plus the non antistatic rotating adapter to vac would be $16.50 (it uses the same reducing sleeve, I think as the antistatic)
$203.50 (includes 6 conectors) by 4 = $51
$105.50 (includes 2 conectors) by 2 = $53 (hmmm) & shipping for one. (and less work for the other)
Just a flashing thought,
Roger
Hey, I'm just wondering... I've seen a few posts that say that the new owners of the Kapex are going to dedicate a CT 22 to the machine. (Brice, Eiji, I think maybe a couple of others)
I understand that in a shop setting, but why on a jobsite? As a traveling jobber myself, I'm having trouble justifying both the extra cost and space the 2nd CT would require.
Just a pure question, perhaps I'm missing something. For me, Festool has been in a large part about shedding weight and bulk, while still improving efficiency. One vac with the right fittings seems to me to fit the bill.
Please set me straight ??? As always, Thanks guys, Dan
I understand that in a shop setting, but why on a jobsite? As a traveling jobber myself, I'm having trouble justifying both the extra cost and space the 2nd CT would require.
Just a pure question, perhaps I'm missing something. For me, Festool has been in a large part about shedding weight and bulk, while still improving efficiency. One vac with the right fittings seems to me to fit the bill.
Please set me straight ??? As always, Thanks guys, Dan
hi Dan,
Most of my work (70%ish) is shop related, so in the studio I would probably set up a Fein I have at the Kapex station.
As to the other 30%, if I were to be building, let's say an entertainment unit in a home "on site" I could see bringing both my
CT22 and my Midi.
The CT22 would be set up in the staging area with the boom arm and the mft tables. The Midi would be dedicated to the Kapex, and that unit would be detachable to cleaning up after myself in the area that I'm actually assembling. Personally flip flopping hoses, especially when getting into a rhythm of "cutting' between the TSS55/ T75 & the Kapex would be irritating. Also, detaching the boom arm assembly from the CT22 to cover my tracks so to speak around the job would be even more annoying and a time losing endeavor. That scenario would outweigh the added space a Midi would take in my truck.
(All of this is taking for granted the Midi has enough suction for the Kapex, if not..... I would use the Fein.)
hope that helps,
Roger
Most of my work (70%ish) is shop related, so in the studio I would probably set up a Fein I have at the Kapex station.
As to the other 30%, if I were to be building, let's say an entertainment unit in a home "on site" I could see bringing both my
CT22 and my Midi.
The CT22 would be set up in the staging area with the boom arm and the mft tables. The Midi would be dedicated to the Kapex, and that unit would be detachable to cleaning up after myself in the area that I'm actually assembling. Personally flip flopping hoses, especially when getting into a rhythm of "cutting' between the TSS55/ T75 & the Kapex would be irritating. Also, detaching the boom arm assembly from the CT22 to cover my tracks so to speak around the job would be even more annoying and a time losing endeavor. That scenario would outweigh the added space a Midi would take in my truck.
(All of this is taking for granted the Midi has enough suction for the Kapex, if not..... I would use the Fein.)
hope that helps,
Roger
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Dan, I use my CT mini with the Kapex. At this point I'm not using a dedicated vac but the jobs I've been on haven't required it. I think I'll be getting a CT midi to use as my job site vac. My mini used to fill this role not it will stay with the Kapex. Roger, the CT mini/midi work fine with the Kapex, you do need a D36 hose.
Thanks Roger, (both for this reply, and your running commentary on your recent field trip...VERY cool)
I should be clear: I don't fabricate on site. I'm just an installer of cabinets and trim/crown systems. Mighty nice cabs though, probably much like what some of you guys create. So I'm more like a mechanic. I suppose we are looking at this from two directions.
I need to be lean and mean, in and out (neither of which I have accomplished well in my personal life in nearly 20 years) ;D For me, fewer tools, fewer steps = (to paraphrase Per) more money. (and more time with my boats)
Dan
I should be clear: I don't fabricate on site. I'm just an installer of cabinets and trim/crown systems. Mighty nice cabs though, probably much like what some of you guys create. So I'm more like a mechanic. I suppose we are looking at this from two directions.
I need to be lean and mean, in and out (neither of which I have accomplished well in my personal life in nearly 20 years) ;D For me, fewer tools, fewer steps = (to paraphrase Per) more money. (and more time with my boats)
Dan
Dan Rush said:
Dan,
In the lean and mean scenario, personally I'd haul around the D27 hose for regular use rather than the D36 hose.
And get the D36 "short version" from Festool ;D ;D ;D or from the "hose club" above, as the hose you leave on the Kapex.
I have the D36-7m hose for the shop, while it better than the D27 for sucking up floor debris - it does tend to "kink" and I would consider it bothersome to haul around in & out of jobsites as you do.
(.....also, being "lean & mean" I don't believe the D36 hose will fit in the hose garage.)
Roger
......and thank you Brice for the Midi imput.
Dan Rush said:
Dan you are right in thinking but it might not be efficient to be so cost effective. I too am concerned with the added cost and space needed to haul around 2 vacs instead of the one. I think that 2 vacs will be much more efficient in the long run because having one vac and splitter for cords and hoses ties you into setting up within those parameters. What if you need to take a vac around to route out some hinges and such around the house. Do you disable the Kapex dust collection and then hook it back up when done routing? Most of the things we do with the Festools is to take the tool to the work vs the work to the tool. The Kapex is stationary once set up and when hooked up to a vac, that vac then is stationary. If you try and get by with one vac you are giving up allot of versatility. It may work in your case but for all the others who are going to dedicate a vac it obviously would not.
Eiji
Having working with almost all the scenarios described above, I'd say second vac and hose would be great. A really, really close second would be a blast gate that incorporated a power strip that allowed you to hook up three hoses. Every day I use the Kap with other tools I think about getting a midi, but don't tell Anthony that. ;D
I guess I just did.
oops.
I guess I just did.
oops.Michael Kellough
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Roger Savatteri said:
Another plug for a boom arm sized hose and the Midi vac. The Mini/Midi vacs have a short 90 degree hose-vac adaptor that takes the small horizontal hose into the big vertical port in the vac and straight into the bag. If you removed the stock hose and 90 degree adaptor and put a short fat hose directly into the vac from the Kapex you'd get much better flow.
Saw this in another thread,
"If I remember correctly, the one of the dryer engineers at work told me every 90 degree bend in a dryer hose results in a 20% reduction in air flow. I assume the same is true of a vacuum as opposed to a blower but I'll try to remember to ask at work tomorrow.
Fred"
Michael Kellough
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The colors clash but this hose is cheap.
It also seems to be the right size. I'm sure the fat end fits the Fein and Festool vacs but I'm not sure about the other end. There are adaptors?
It also seems to be the right size. I'm sure the fat end fits the Fein and Festool vacs but I'm not sure about the other end. There are adaptors?
For those of you using the ct mini or midi with the 37mm hose on the Kapex, how much " background" dust are you making? If I was to go up to the ct33, do you think it would eliminate the better portion of the mess.
I'm not saying it is alot crumbs, but I was wondering if it would be worth kickin' it up a couple of notches.
Although I will say after about 150 cuts on various sized stock, I have collected about a half a bag dust in my mini. Very impressive
I'm not saying it is alot crumbs, but I was wondering if it would be worth kickin' it up a couple of notches.
Although I will say after about 150 cuts on various sized stock, I have collected about a half a bag dust in my mini. Very impressive
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