VAC SYS DISCONTINUED?

[mike_aa]

I just received my set from USTF. A month earlier than projected so mad props to USTF.
Only problem is I can't exactly claim it as a birthday gift a month early!  [tongue]

[member=20971]elfick[/member]  No problem!  My birthday is today so just send it to me!  [big grin] [big grin] [tongue]
Mike A.

 

[elfick]

I just received my set from USTF. A month earlier than projected so mad props to USTF.
Only problem is I can't exactly claim it as a birthday gift a month early!  [tongue]

[member=20971]elfick[/member]  No problem!  My birthday is today so just send it to me!  [big grin] [big grin] [tongue]
Mike A.

Ha ha! Happy birthday! Thanks for trying to help out but I think I'll hold on to it. Besides, the wife answered the door when it was delivered so the cat is already out of the bag.  [big grin]

 

[squall_line]

I just received my set from USTF. A month earlier than projected so mad props to USTF.
Only problem is I can't exactly claim it as a birthday gift a month early!  [tongue]

[member=20971]elfick[/member]  No problem!  My birthday is today so just send it to me!  [big grin] [big grin] [tongue]
Mike A.

[member=30413]mike_aa[/member] ,  [birthday song]!

These posts remind me I need to check on the status of the order I placed for the narrow and small oblong heads from ToolNut.  I think they were slated to ship closer to the end of the month, though.

 

[mike_aa]

Hey [member=20971]elfick[/member]  and [member=75217]squall_line[/member]  Thanks for the birthday wishes! [big grin]

Mike A

 

[AVL_wood_shop]

Nope, a different and less-famous Greg from Asheville.

I’m getting ready to sell a bunch of woodworking tools. Including a complete VAC SYS setup:
Two modules, vacuum pump, and foot pedal
Two MFT mounting brackets
The set of three mounts in the Systainer
One additional D215 mount
A spare vacuum hose that I used for some custom vacuum jigs

I really prefer to deal in person. I’m in Asheville, NC. Any of you guys looking for a VAC SYS near western NC?

Otherwise, what have you had good luck with in terms of online sales?

-Greg

Hmm Greg from Asheville. Your last name doesn't happen to be Paolini does it?  [big grin]

 

[DynaGlide]

Nope, a different and less-famous Greg from Asheville.

Im getting ready to sell a bunch of woodworking tools. Including a complete VAC SYS setup:
Two modules, vacuum pump, and foot pedal
Two MFT mounting brackets
The set of three mounts in the Systainer
One additional D215 mount
A spare vacuum hose that I used for some custom vacuum jigs

I really prefer to deal in person. I’m in Asheville, NC. Any of you guys looking for a VAC SYS near western NC?

Otherwise, what have you had good luck with in terms of online sales?

-Greg

Hmm Greg from Asheville. Your last name doesn't happen to be Paolini does it?  [big grin]

[member=76509]AVL_wood_shop[/member] In that case, I would suggest the Classifieds here. Sell to a member with a higher post count/older join date that you can feel out. I've followed this rule more or less and never had an issue either on this forum or others. There's some rules posted in that forum that you'll need to read.

Craigslist is where I sell/buy a lot of stuff because I find mainly only the more "mature" people use it. Facebook marketplace is a crapshoot I use when something won't sell using the other methods.

The Vac Sys set you have is in high demand and will sell quickly.

 

[Ebuwan]

Hey All,

So been searching for another option.

Found Doscornio
https://www.doscornio.com/produktuebersicht/bankmaster-vakuumspannsysteme/bankmaster-mono-s/

I inquired with them, and they got back to me yesterday. They don't have any distribution in the US, but you can order as a private person (love translations). She mentioned needing to pay VAT and of course longer shipping time, but whatever. I'm in the US, so i think we are VAT exempt anyway.

The prices are WAY more comparable to Festool.  Looks around a little over $1300 US, if VAT is exempt, for one Mono S head unit and vacuum pump.

I'll keep the thread updated if i pull the trigger.

 

[afish]

the dual head on one station is pretty cool. any idea how much just the bench top unit is with two pods?  no pump etc.

 

[rmwarren]

That's a great alternative. I like the heads better than Festool, they are more streamlined and adjustable.

There is a pricelist in German. Looks like $865 for the head only.

RMW

 

[afish]

Thanks didnt see that I was on small screen first time and on the way out the door so didnt have time to check out everything.  It looks interesting. 

 

[Ebuwan]

Yeah hard to really see it on the phone. The 3D version is just two of those heads for about 250 more bucks

 

[batmanimal]

Yeah hard to really see it on the phone. The 3D version is just two of those heads for about 250 more bucks

Did the company confirm that you get two clamping units? I can’t tell if you get two of the Mono S units with the Mono 3D package, or if it’s just one unit of an enhanced type.

Regardless, this is by far the nicest comp to the vac sys. Good find!

 

[afish]

yea, the price list was a little unclear to me too.  It looks like its about twice the price of the Festool unit.  You dont get to say that very often.  looks nice but at that price point Ill just stick to the custom pods I make for $0. The tilting, spinning option is nice but I just dont need it very often for what I do.  If the vac sys ever comes back in stock I might grab one since it is the best thing out there for the price but if not Im not loosing any sleep if I dont.  RIP VAC SYS

 

[Ebuwan]

Hrm, where did you get twice the price from? it's actually quite comparable in price.

This is from their price list located athttps://www.doscornio.com/wp-content/uploads/Pricelist_Doscornio_2021_2022_EN_web.pdf

bankmaster® MONO 3D

MONO 3D with vacuum pump K 0415 1.250,00 €
MONO 3D without vacuum pump K 0416 935,00 €
Option: Other variants of vacuum plates (page 24) without surcharge
Option: Foot valve K 0135 165,00 €
Option: Tubestar® adapter plate for tubes K 0399 480,00 €

Adding it up and converting to dollars:
MONO 3D with vacuum pump - $1411.09
Foot valve - $186.26
Shipping - ~$90
Total = $1687.35

Things missing from this price is cost for the other plate sizes, and if they only sell 220-240v pumps, which in that case, someone wanted 110v, could just get a nice pump locally, like a Robinair? If getting local pump, i'd imagine that would greatly reduce the weight/shipping.

I just sent them the following questions to try and clear it up. I'm hoping the 3D is literally just two S's, because 190 bucks for a second stand is a no-brainer!

Is the MONO 3D the same thing as the MONO S with an extra Suction plate stand?

Are your vacuum pumps only available in 220-240v? I ask because of the typical 110v standard here in the states.

How do we go about getting the whole range of available plate sizes?

I think being in the US, I would be VAT exempt?

These come with all the tubes for hooking everything up?

 

[batmanimal]

Hrm, where did you get twice the price from? it's actually quite comparable in price.

This is from their price list located athttps://www.doscornio.com/wp-content/uploads/Pricelist_Doscornio_2021_2022_EN_web.pdf

bankmaster® MONO 3D

MONO 3D with vacuum pump K 0415 1.250,00 €
MONO 3D without vacuum pump K 0416 935,00 €
Option: Other variants of vacuum plates (page 24) without surcharge
Option: Foot valve K 0135 165,00 €
Option: Tubestar® adapter plate for tubes K 0399 480,00 €

Adding it up and converting to dollars:
MONO 3D with vacuum pump - $1411.09
Foot valve - $186.26
Shipping - ~$90
Total = $1687.35

Things missing from this price is cost for the other plate sizes, and if they only sell 220-240v pumps, which in that case, someone wanted 110v, could just get a nice pump locally, like a Robinair? If getting local pump, i'd imagine that would greatly reduce the weight/shipping.

I just sent them the following questions to try and clear it up. I'm hoping the 3D is literally just two S's, because 190 bucks for a second stand is a no-brainer!

Is the MONO 3D the same thing as the MONO S with an extra Suction plate stand?

Are your vacuum pumps only available in 220-240v? I ask because of the typical 110v standard here in the states.

How do we go about getting the whole range of available plate sizes?

I think being in the US, I would be VAT exempt?

These come with all the tubes for hooking everything up?

I reached out to the company also and received clarification on the Mono 3D product. As I feared, it is not 2 Mono S heads, it’s just one head with enhanced swiveling capability.

Here’s the full message from the rep:

“ Thank you for your message. The difference between the MONO 3D and the MONO S is the swiveling by 90° in two (MONO 3D) or only in one (MONO S) direction.

The benefit of the MONO 3D is, that you can perfectly handle 3D and curved workpieces. But therefore you need 2 x MONO 3D with foot valve. So, no, one MONO 3D is not two MONO S.

Our vacuum pumps are normally also available in US standard. Unfortunately they are not deliverable at the moment. Delivery time is 12 weeks +. ”

Their vacuum pump is designed to support 5 clamps units at once, so might be more than one would need anyhow. I sent her the specs of the Rockler pump to see if that would be sufficient for a single Mono S head, which is the option I would get, if I go with a vac clamp at all.

The Mono S alone is 765 Euro, plus 95 Euro for shipping, or about $950 USD.

As much as I’d love a vacuum clamp, that’s a bit steep. I just found a CMS GE  (router table) that I think I’d rather spend the money on, if I’m choosing amongst recently discontinued Festool products!

 

[Domino11]

I’m getting ready to sell a bunch of woodworking tools. Including a complete VAC SYS setup:
Two modules, vacuum pump, and foot pedal
Two MFT mounting brackets
The set of three mounts in the Systainer
One additional D215 mount
A spare vacuum hose that I used for some custom vacuum jigs

I really prefer to deal in person. I’m in Asheville, NC. Any of you guys looking for a VAC SYS near western NC?

Otherwise, what have you had good luck with in terms of online sales?

-Greg

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If you still have these, I'm interested. 
I'm Only 90 Min away in Mooresville.
Just let me know.

Thanks

 

[Ebuwan]

I reached out to the company also and received clarification on the Mono 3D product. As I feared, it is not 2 Mono S heads, it’s just one head with enhanced swiveling capability.

Curious, what were you fearing? To me, and they clarified the same point to me, 90 degrees both ways makes it even more versatile. Also, the 3D comes with 2 heads, with second head only running an additional 170 euro; it almost seems like a no brainer. I can't think of a reason NOT to just go that route if you want two heads.

The price is close with what Festool was charging for two heads, vacuum pump, and foot pedal. I sent this to the rep, my buddy wants a 3D setup too, but no pump. I have an older pump, and the rep confirmed the 110v pump will just ship later, which is fine.

Setup with two heads, pump and foot valve comes to 1415 Euro/$1618 US, of course before shipping, which was in the range of 90 US bucks. One thing i still have not got pricing on yet is the additional round and oval plate sizes; there are 3 other round sizes and 4 other oval sizes.

So yeah, it's fair to say, it's a few hundred more bucks. It is the most affordable/quality solution compared to the Vac sys i've found though. It's not a "cheap" option by any means, but if you were in the vac sys ballpark, this can at least get you a still made/supported option.

Also, FYI, i got in touch with a US supplier; they tacked on 1200 US dollars for the pleasure of getting it shipped here for me; I passed.

 

[batmanimal]

Hi all! The Vac Sys SE2 is on BIS as “in stock”
https://beavertools.com/580062-festool-vac-sys-se-2-clamping-module.html

I ordered one - I’ll figure out the rest of the setup later, assuming the thing actually IS in stock somehow. I noticed it also went up on ToolNut, with a ship date of May.

[member=66038]Ebuwan[/member] - attaching what I received from the rep about the Mono 3D being only one unit

 

[Ebuwan]

Gotcha, yeah the 3D is two heads though.

I've been communicating with the same person there haha.

 

[batmanimal]

[member=66038]Ebuwan[/member] I was able to order an SE1 and Vac Pump from Lee Valley. They are listed as back ordered until March, but on my order confirmation email had a shipping estimate for Feb 22. So maybe there’s still hope for us vac sys stragglers?
https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/sho...ol-suction-based-clamping-pump?item=ZTU201064
https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/sho...l-vac-sys-se-1-clamping-module?item=ZTU201065

They are no longer offering the sets, but it looks like you can get most of the component parts individually (for a higher cost vs set, but probably equivalent to or less than the Doscornio)