As an American I have looked at the Miele critically. The capacity of the Miele is about 1/2 of a standard American washer, and the cost is approx double. In terms of reliability top American models such as the Speedqueen and the commercial Maytags, and all the older washers such as Whirlpool, Maytag are all very high in reliability and are pretty inexpensive to fix and easy to find service help when needed. Not so with Miele. We can agree to disagree on this.Bert Vanderveen said:
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Back in 2003 or so, I bought a LG washer (front load) and LG dryer (electric). I had that set until 2011 and they still worked like a champ. They were sold due to a cross country move.
Fast forward to 2018 and my girlfriend was tired of the crappy stacked set that came with the house. We're lucky enough to live close to one of the few Best Buy outlets in the US, so a trip over there and we have a LG combo (washer and dryer in one unit). We love it. The price for having a few dents on the side that I knocked out quite easily also helped.
Fast forward to 2018 and my girlfriend was tired of the crappy stacked set that came with the house. We're lucky enough to live close to one of the few Best Buy outlets in the US, so a trip over there and we have a LG combo (washer and dryer in one unit). We love it. The price for having a few dents on the side that I knocked out quite easily also helped.
We are still using a Whirlpool washer and dryer set that is over 40 years old. My in-laws sold their house in the late 1980's and gave us their old washer and dryer-still ticking. I do not know how long they owned before then. I think the only repairs I have done is some JB weld to fix a hole in the lint screen, and a dryer belt.
I agree. In years gone by the appliances lasted many, many years.
I have to believe that it is an executive decision that mandates that the modern appliances be designed to last 6 or 7 years. I think you have to be rather deliberate in your component choices so that it remains reliable during the warranty period, but must be retired after 6 or 7 years.
I have to believe that it is an executive decision that mandates that the modern appliances be designed to last 6 or 7 years. I think you have to be rather deliberate in your component choices so that it remains reliable during the warranty period, but must be retired after 6 or 7 years.
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xedos said:
Perhaps. But, there's quite a few mentions of LGs causing water hammer. Newer LGs use fast closing valves and according to this research paper, any machine using a fast closing valve can cause water hammer.
My previous Maytag front loader (purchased 2001) did not have fast closing valves and I didn't experience water hammer. Maybe different LG washers use different valves and that could be one reason you are not experiencing it. I don't know for certain but I'm clearly not alone in having LG induced water hammer.
Or, like you said, legions of plumbers are just not doing their jobs and are bilking their customers for more cash to install unnecessary fixes.
Enjoy the thread gentlemen. Fellas , while it may be more prevalent on LG washers - they are not the only washers using fast acting solenoid valves.
They aren't even the only appliance that uses them. Dishwashers also use them.
High pressure and/or unsecured pipes, hoses and valves are the cause of water hammer. Like I said earlier - I have two sets of LG and neither has water hammer.
Some are still that way. One of my places has a twenty+ year old SubZero and a Miele dishwasher. Both work fine, though the door gaskets were replaced on the fridge two years ago. A bosch washer and dryer at my "pied-à-terre is closer to 30.
They aren't even the only appliance that uses them. Dishwashers also use them.
High pressure and/or unsecured pipes, hoses and valves are the cause of water hammer. Like I said earlier - I have two sets of LG and neither has water hammer.
Some are still that way. One of my places has a twenty+ year old SubZero and a Miele dishwasher. Both work fine, though the door gaskets were replaced on the fridge two years ago. A bosch washer and dryer at my "pied-à-terre is closer to 30.
Bert Vanderveen said:
My grandmother in Germany had a Miele washing machine in the 1970s and early 80s. We bought a pair for a new house in 2000, moved them three times (including cross country), and finally sold them with the house in 2020. They were still working well. They are heavy to move though!
If you like Festool, Miele makes the washer, dishwasher, vacuum cleaner, refrigerator, freezer, induction cooktop, oven, coffee maker, and vent hood for you. Really nice stuff if you don't mind the price.
I'll add a vote for Miele. We have had our Washer/Dryer pair for 17 years and they are still going strong. They are the small European size but will still wash/dry a surprisingly large load of dirty clothes. Our Miele vacuum is older than that. Our Miele dishwasher has recurring fill valve failures but there is an easy work around to fix with a $20 solenoid valve rather than the $300+ Miele part.
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We've been very happy with our Miele appliances so far.
In our last house we had a Miele dishwasher, washer and heat pump dryer. The washer and dryer were smaller than typical NA models but all that meant was smaller loads. No big deal.
What was a big deal was switching to a heat pump dryer. What a huge difference in the electricity bill! In the old house we had an electric consumption meter so I could see how many Kw an appliance was using. Our old dryer from from the previous owners used 6Kw to dry clothes. When we bought the Miele heat pump dryer it showed that we only used 1Kw to dry out clothes! Plus it did not need to vent outside.
In our last house we had a Miele dishwasher, washer and heat pump dryer. The washer and dryer were smaller than typical NA models but all that meant was smaller loads. No big deal.
What was a big deal was switching to a heat pump dryer. What a huge difference in the electricity bill! In the old house we had an electric consumption meter so I could see how many Kw an appliance was using. Our old dryer from from the previous owners used 6Kw to dry clothes. When we bought the Miele heat pump dryer it showed that we only used 1Kw to dry out clothes! Plus it did not need to vent outside.
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I had horrible luck with GE appliances we bought a GE fridge and had nothing but issues. Several service trips in the first year for some type of internal fan that made it sound like It was about to try and launch into space. Then the ice dispenser electronics failed. door shelf was falling apart and it has a mystery leak from under the fridge. The Fridge is less than 3 years old. IT IS THE LAST GE APPLIANCE I EVER BUY. I would be shocked if GE owns LG
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Bert Vanderveen said:
Despite this discussion, top loaders are also mostly obsolete in the US. Just visit a large appliance store and they will have 15 front loaders on display but only 2 or 3 top loaders. We haven't owned a top loader in over 30 years.
The last top loader we owned was a Maytag which was fantastic...and then they sold the company.
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So speaking about water hammer...I've installed about a dozen of the Sioux MiniRester valves near the problem areas. They really work well and I'd recommend them for a simple solution. I installed them with Shark Bite fittings...easy peasy.
https://www.siouxchief.com/products/supply/arresters-and-trap-primers/arresters/minirester
Years ago when they plumbed a house, they'd install a 2 1/2" vertical pipe in the system that was about 4'-5' tall and this became the arrestor that prevented water hammer because it provided an air cushion. Unfortunately, after a couple of years the vertical air chamber slowly filled with water and it then no longer served as an arrestor. It needed to be drained every couple of years to perform its service. Well this became a PITA for most people and here we are today.
In the last several years, I installed several outside hose timer valves on the hose faucets and they also have extremely quick acting shut off valves. Unfortunately, they have produced severe water hammer whenever they were turned off by the timer. The good news is that the installation of the Sioux MiniRestor has resolved these issues.
https://www.siouxchief.com/products/supply/arresters-and-trap-primers/arresters/minirester
Years ago when they plumbed a house, they'd install a 2 1/2" vertical pipe in the system that was about 4'-5' tall and this became the arrestor that prevented water hammer because it provided an air cushion. Unfortunately, after a couple of years the vertical air chamber slowly filled with water and it then no longer served as an arrestor. It needed to be drained every couple of years to perform its service. Well this became a PITA for most people and here we are today.
In the last several years, I installed several outside hose timer valves on the hose faucets and they also have extremely quick acting shut off valves. Unfortunately, they have produced severe water hammer whenever they were turned off by the timer. The good news is that the installation of the Sioux MiniRestor has resolved these issues.
