Way to many dominos to glue!

[Tayler_mann]

So I am in the middle of this bed frame build for a client. The head board consists of 5 set in panels with 31 posts in between the frame with the set in panels and a top rail. That means that each post had 2 dominos in it, which when you add that up gives you 62 dominos and 124 holes to glue and clamp in a very short amount of time. So I did a dry fit to figure out he best way to glue this up....and it is a head scratcher. As of right now the entire frame is within .5 a mm of square. So I feel like if I could glue up all the posts at one time and clamp everything into a know square corner everything will stay perfect. The only problem is there won't be enough time to do that much glueing before the glue sets up in the dominos.

The other option would be to glue them one side at a time first into the frame with the 5 set in panels. Than to glue the top rail on all at once. However, I feel I could tend to get the posts a little off square on the first set of glue ups and than it will cause some issues on the second glue up.

I look forward to the advice everyone has to share with me. I've included a few pictures so it might be easier to see. Also, it is important to know hat I have to glue this frame in between two 4" x 4" solid posts on each side so being square is extremely important. I like to say I do not want to have to take. My track saw to the sides before glueing the 4 x 4's to the frame since it would make those absolutely gorgeous miters look awful.

On a side note I have only used Festool tools (TS 55, OF1400, CMS, Domino, and Ro 150) so far in this build. Only exception is my clamps and turbo ii. I only have about 4 hours of labor into the cutting sanding glueing and set up so far. I have about twice that in the veneer process though.

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

Woodweld plastic resin glue. 

 

[Tflapointe]

could water down the glue make it set slower.

 

[SittingElf]

Solution....

Six pack of beer and a couple of friends to spread glue at the same time. [smile]

Cheers,

Frank

 

[Gwerner]

Solution....

Six pack of beer and a couple of friends to spread glue at the same time. [smile]

Cheers,

Frank

Yep, I fully endorse this plan  [cool]

 

[Kev]

Find an appropriately slow drying glue ... or lots of reliable help.

 

[sancho57]

Cascamite

 

[kevros]

Alain Vaillancourt (The Woodpecker) uses a slow set epoxy to glue his doors, which have lots of dominos
https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PL...khtTWdFLW9oFQ%3D%3D&v=ajZmf9b2buk&mode=NORMAL

PS this is part of a 29 episode documentation of his shop build which uses a fair number of Festools, great watching.

Kev

 

[roblg3]

System 3 has a slow set epoxy.  I believe gel time is 90 minutes.  Should give you plenty of time!

 

[mouppe]

Dry fit one side to hold it all in place and glue the other side. Then glue the previously dry-fitted side.

Can you get a friend to help with the glue-up? Two people should be able to handle this no problem.

 

[stvrowe]

Slow set epoxy as others have suggested or Uni-bond 800 will give you plenty of open time to make the glue-up.  Another thing I would suggest is to glue the dominos in the end grain of the stiles and slats first wiping any squeeze out that would prevent closing up the joint later.  Then proceed with the remainder of the glue-up. 

 

[tjbnwi]

Glue the Dominos into the rails, make sure you clean off any squeeze out. Glue into the post mortices, assemble and clamp.

Use one of these Titebond glues.

http://www.titebond.com/product_selector_results.aspx?type=app&id=2f76ec22-f6f1-4f5b-bce3-9c6b1d540d12
Tom

 

[waho6o9]

Finish the piece first and or put a couple coats of shellac on

and glue/epoxy at your leisure.

Excellent work BTW.

 

[Brent Taylor]

Hide glue

 

[Tayler_mann]

Dry fit one side to hold it all in place and glue the other side. Then glue the previously dry-fitted side.

Can you get a friend to help with the glue-up? Two people should be able to handle this no problem.

I really like this idea. I had thought about it previously, but was slightly unsure. The only thing that makes me nervous is taking it off but I think I'm going to give it a try with titebond III. Has anyone used elmers wood glue max? What about a polyurethane titebond I have a few bottles of that left from doing the veneer.

 

[jonny round boy]

Does every slat need to be glued? Could you glue, say, every 5th or 6th slat to hold it together, and fit the rest dry? They aren't going to go anywhere with a domino in each end...

 

[waho6o9]

Does every slat need to be glued? Could you glue, say, every 5th or 6th slat to hold it together, and fit the rest dry? They aren't going to go anywhere with a domino in each end...

Interesting concept I hadn't thought of that before, thanks!

 

[mike_aa]

I had a similar situation about a year ago and I called Titebond to get some advice.  IIRC, they told me to use Titebond 3 and dilute it 5 percent to get the longest working time.

Mike A.

 

[Tayler_mann]

Does every slat need to be glued? Could you glue, say, every 5th or 6th slat to hold it together, and fit the rest dry? They aren't going to go anywhere with a domino in each end...

Interesting concept I hadn't thought of that before, thanks!

It isn't a bad idea but I would like to get glue on all of them. The client is paying good money for this and I don't want any of the posts to get slopped out at any time and have a little play in them. If it wasn't for a bed frame that will take some abuse (cough cough) and it wasn't being jumped on Layed on etc. I would be ok with that.

I think my final verdict is going to be glue one side dry for the other and clamp it. Than take the piece off glue the final side and clamp it one more time. I feel this should be quite an easy way of doing it.

 

[Roseland]

If you really want to glue each slat, then I'd use Cascamite or Titebond Extend.

Andrew