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Judoka, you had sent me an email about this back on May 7th and it seemed that you were fine with my answer. I'll share my response with everyone.
I don't foresee Festool ever manufacturing in China. Festool has very high requirements for its suppliers, measured in parts per million. So, if there are more than 60 components that don't meet our tolerances out of a million, the supplier fails.
Here are a couple of blog posts about it.
http://blog.festoolusa.com/post/2008/10/04/Striving-for-Perfection.aspx
http://blog.festoolusa.com/post/2008/09/04/Why-This-Part-Didnt-Become-Part-of-Your-Festool.aspx
I don't foresee Festool ever manufacturing in China. Festool has very high requirements for its suppliers, measured in parts per million. So, if there are more than 60 components that don't meet our tolerances out of a million, the supplier fails.
Here are a couple of blog posts about it.
http://blog.festoolusa.com/post/2008/10/04/Striving-for-Perfection.aspx
http://blog.festoolusa.com/post/2008/09/04/Why-This-Part-Didnt-Become-Part-of-Your-Festool.aspx
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No big deal. I'm sure they know how to solder cells together in Poland.
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As for Mainland China, Festool has a large facility in the center of automotive design and manufacturing in China devoted to R&D, primarily of Festools used in auto manufacturing.
Many components used by Festool are manufactured outside Germany, but under the strict supervision of Festool inspectors. In my opinion it is wise to use vendors with special experience, such as using battery assemblies made in Poland. In all the years Festool has been making cordless tools, there has never been complaints about the quality of Festool batteries. Is it even possible that there are battery manufacturers located in Germany with the experience to make those needed by Festool?
Many components used by Festool are manufactured outside Germany, but under the strict supervision of Festool inspectors. In my opinion it is wise to use vendors with special experience, such as using battery assemblies made in Poland. In all the years Festool has been making cordless tools, there has never been complaints about the quality of Festool batteries. Is it even possible that there are battery manufacturers located in Germany with the experience to make those needed by Festool?
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I spotted the other day that my ehl65 eq was made in the Czech republic. Think I read somewhere festool have factory there.
Slightly off-topic but slightly related, I recently had several quite old Festool NiCads rebuilt at the local Batteries Plus. The guy who did the work said they were extremely easy to re-build. "I love those batteries.", were his exact words. He claimed that Panasonics were a pain in the butt.
I was at a sailboat show recently and boarded a very nice looking sailboat. The price was far less than I expected. So I scoured the boat from bow to stern looking for flaws, shortcuts and cheap materials. I found the boat was better built than many well known builders selling their boats for a lot more. Then someone said the boat was made in Poland. I had never heard of a sailboat made in Poland. But this sailboat was built well and had a lot of features more expensive boats don't have. Still, it was hard accepting a boat built in Poland mostly because it was so new to me, yet the quality I saw meant I'd have to let go of that concern.
I think we'll see more of this in the future. And "Made in Poland" will lose its stigma.
Now, if we could only see more "Made in the USA" printed on products.
I think we'll see more of this in the future. And "Made in Poland" will lose its stigma.
Now, if we could only see more "Made in the USA" printed on products.
joiner1970 said:
I don't know about Festool, but Protool does.
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I heard a story a while back about a pro guitarist visiting a Fender Mexico factory. Story was he picked up a guitar and started playing it and stunned a bunch of workers that never knew what the "things they made" sounded like.
I don't know if this is a folk story [wink]
I don't know if this is a folk story [wink]
Julie Moriarty said:
We're a service oriented economy now. For instance, we have enough lawyers in the US to provide legal services to every man woman and child on the planet. And if our lawyers could do for the rest of the planet what they've done for us you might see some of those jobs that aren't coming back, come back.
On the other hand we are are the leading chip manufacturing nation. No other nation can touch us for creativity and innovation when it comes to chips.
fshanno said:
Computer or potato ?
If potato ..... I just had some that were fire roasted sweet corn flavor (not corn chips, potato chips) , and yes, they actually taste like sweet corn with butter , salt and pepper [eek]
[popcorn]
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SRSemenza said:
Off topic sorry, these them Seth?
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I have no idea who makes the Batteries for Festool but one of the most sophisticated battery companies in the world ( Axeon) has their R&D department based in Poland.. I would bet it would take Festool 20 years to catch up to them in technology.. I dunno .. maybe not ..
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I find it really intriguing how many consumers appear to approve or dismiss a product simply based on where a stamp says it's manufactured or assembled.
Aside from that, I suspect most people in the States don't seem know this, but I think it's worth noting to put things in a more realistic perspective.
From what little I hear in the news, Germany is under a lot of pressure from the EU lately because they don't have minimum wages, undercutting the other countries. Many Germans have to juggle different jobs that make them a dismal wage of only few euro/h. I'm not saying this is in all sectors, mind you.
I'm sure it applies to many products made in Germany, but the reasoning that the cost of products with the "made in Germany" stamp on them are worth the extra price because the people there make a decent wage is often very much incorrect !
Apparently many German factories use low educated Germans & loads of Polish making the long trip into Germany each day, to work these kinds of jobs.
I only live in a neighboring country of Germany, so I definitely don't know all the details. I hope some of the actual German users on the forum can correct me if I'm mistaken and shed some more light on the matter and explain it in more detail .
Aside from that, I suspect most people in the States don't seem know this, but I think it's worth noting to put things in a more realistic perspective.
From what little I hear in the news, Germany is under a lot of pressure from the EU lately because they don't have minimum wages, undercutting the other countries. Many Germans have to juggle different jobs that make them a dismal wage of only few euro/h. I'm not saying this is in all sectors, mind you.
I'm sure it applies to many products made in Germany, but the reasoning that the cost of products with the "made in Germany" stamp on them are worth the extra price because the people there make a decent wage is often very much incorrect !
Apparently many German factories use low educated Germans & loads of Polish making the long trip into Germany each day, to work these kinds of jobs.
I only live in a neighboring country of Germany, so I definitely don't know all the details. I hope some of the actual German users on the forum can correct me if I'm mistaken and shed some more light on the matter and explain it in more detail .
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