What would you like to see in a next generation TS-55?

[semenza]

+1 for the double sided rail and position detents for the rotating dust port.

Seth

 

[jmbfestool]

I find all the discussion about the ts 55 saw being underpowered a little odd. If you are pushing the saw to its limit day in day out perhaps you should consider the ts75. If you have to do one tough cut from time to time, make the cut in two passes, then shift the saw half a millimeter to the left and make a full clean up pass.

You have to find the right tool for the job not blame the tool for something it wasn't intended to do.

The point is!  It should cut 55mm in harder materials no problem  apparently the Mafel can so the TS55 should be able to aswell.  If you can buy a Maffel which cuts 55mm and cuts harder materials fine then WHY should you need to buy a Festool TS75?    I would rather just own 1 saw not 2! The TS55 runs a lot smoother than the TS75 and its alot lighter than the TS75  so you you need both saws really!  BUT  I could save money and just buy the  ONE Mafel which will handle the harder materials but also is lighter and runs smoother?   

Its not that fact its not the right tool for the job the tool has not be made to do the job fully!

JMB

 

[Corwin]

I like the improvement ideas for the power and dust port changes, along with changing the scale to account for the thickness of the guide rail.  

The double-sided guide rails are another thing...  The back side of the current guide rails is useful aligning your rail to your workpiece and to the fence on the MFT.  Double-sided rails would make for a problem when you want to use a square or parallel guide since you could only locate off the rail's hat.  

 

[Phil P]

So you advise a TS75 because the TS55 can't cut it...? I rest my case.

How abot this, then. An MT55cc costs 20 to 25% more than a TS55 (here in the UK). It won't, however, earn me 20 to 25% more income

3. The last change I know of is ofcourse with the T-Loc systainer.

So just what is wrong with a Systainer T-Loc? I started out anti, after all some of my Metabo, Mafell and Bosch kit came in Systainer Classics. Now I'm the other way. Better, quicker to use. Can't wait to get more

Everybody likes the TS55 because they don't now better and think Festool is the best, it's a shame.... Open your mind and try some thing, you would be amazed.

It probably isn't (best, that is). What it is is better than the Makita SP6000K, the deWalt and the Bosch GKS68 (used or had 'em all). It is also a helluva lot better than 90% of the other saws out there used in the construction trades; you know, the Makitas, Metabos, Bosches, Milwaukees, etc used by the vast majority of the trades

Mafell is a lovey brand, and not only the MT55 is good.........

Problem is no one knows Mafell...

Errr, nope! Mafell does some excellent stuff of their own. They even used to make the OF2000 router for Festool (and wasn't/isn't the LO50e sourced in part from Festool in return?). And the UT150e random orbit sander probably does look better in Mafell red than it does in Metabo green or deWalt yellow (BTW I have a green one), whilst the LNF19 I have is a brilliant biscuit jointer despite having a Kress motor and sharing its' front end with Kress, Atlas-Copco and AEG (at different times). BTW I still prefer the Hilti WSC85 to its' Mafell version, partly because I could afford a Hilti!!!! In other words their range isn't all theirs. In that they are not alone.

Having said all that back to Festool. Please, Sir, I'd like a bit more power in the TS55, and possibly a bit more depth to handle 60 minute fire doors on the rail....... Oh, h*ll, I really need a TS75 after all  :

Regards

Phil

 

[neth27]

The Mafell costs about the same as the Festool...... The MT55 + 2 guide rails and connector bar costs £539... How much is the TS55 with 2 guide rails + connector bars? within a couple of £'s........

John...

 

[Deansocial]

So you advise a TS75 because the TS55 can't cut it...? I rest my case.

How abot this, then. An MT55cc costs 20 to 25% more than a TS55 (here in the UK). It won't, however, earn me 20 to 25% more income

3. The last change I know of is ofcourse with the T-Loc systainer.

So just what is wrong with a Systainer T-Loc? I started out anti, after all some of my Metabo, Mafell and Bosch kit came in Systainer Classics. Now I'm the other way. Better, quicker to use. Can't wait to get more

Everybody likes the TS55 because they don't now better and think Festool is the best, it's a shame.... Open your mind and try some thing, you would be amazed.

It probably isn't (best, that is). What it is is better than the Makita SP6000K, the deWalt and the Bosch GKS68 (used or had 'em all). It is also a helluva lot better than 90% of the other saws out there used in the construction trades; you know, the Makitas, Metabos, Bosches, Milwaukees, etc used by the vast majority of the trades

Mafell is a lovey brand, and not only the MT55 is good.........

Problem is no one knows Mafell...

Errr, nope! Mafell does some excellent stuff of their own. They even used to make the OF2000 router for Festool (and wasn't/isn't the LO50e sourced in part from Festool in return?). And the UT150e random orbit sander probably does look better in Mafell red than it does in Metabo green or deWalt yellow (BTW I have a green one), whilst the LNF19 I have is a brilliant biscuit jointer despite having a Kress motor and sharing its' front end with Kress, Atlas-Copco and AEG (at different times). BTW I still prefer the Hilti WSC85 to its' Mafell version, partly because I could afford a Hilti!!!! In other words their range isn't all theirs. In that they are not alone.

Having said all that back to Festool. Please, Sir, I'd like a bit more power in the TS55, and possibly a bit more depth to handle 60 minute fire doors on the rail....... Oh, h*ll, I really need a TS75 after all  :

Regards

Phil

Its actually 12% more not 25%.

i've used the dewalt and think what it may lack in smoothness it gains in a few feature to be as good at the ts55 imho

makita i have not used but have heard it is good on power.

 

[Dan Clark]

So you advise a TS75 because the TS55 can't cut it...? I rest my case.

How abot this, then. An MT55cc costs 20 to 25% more than a TS55 (here in the UK). It won't, however, earn me 20 to 25% more income

3. The last change I know of is ofcourse with the T-Loc systainer.

So just what is wrong with a Systainer T-Loc? I started out anti, after all some of my Metabo, Mafell and Bosch kit came in Systainer Classics. Now I'm the other way. Better, quicker to use. Can't wait to get more

Everybody likes the TS55 because they don't now better and think Festool is the best, it's a shame.... Open your mind and try some thing, you would be amazed.

It probably isn't (best, that is). What it is is better than the Makita SP6000K, the deWalt and the Bosch GKS68 (used or had 'em all). It is also a helluva lot better than 90% of the other saws out there used in the construction trades; you know, the Makitas, Metabos, Bosches, Milwaukees, etc used by the vast majority of the trades

Mafell is a lovey brand, and not only the MT55 is good.........

Problem is no one knows Mafell...

Errr, nope! Mafell does some excellent stuff of their own. They even used to make the OF2000 router for Festool (and wasn't/isn't the LO50e sourced in part from Festool in return?). And the UT150e random orbit sander probably does look better in Mafell red than it does in Metabo green or deWalt yellow (BTW I have a green one), whilst the LNF19 I have is a brilliant biscuit jointer despite having a Kress motor and sharing its' front end with Kress, Atlas-Copco and AEG (at different times). BTW I still prefer the Hilti WSC85 to its' Mafell version, partly because I could afford a Hilti!!!! In other words their range isn't all theirs. In that they are not alone.

Having said all that back to Festool. Please, Sir, I'd like a bit more power in the TS55, and possibly a bit more depth to handle 60 minute fire doors on the rail....... Oh, h*ll, I really need a TS75 after all  :

Regards

Phil

Its actually 12% more not 25%.

i've used the dewalt and think what it may lack in smoothness it gains in a few feature to be as good at the ts55 imho

makita i have not used but have heard it is good on power.

In the US, the SALE price of the Mafell 55 is 50+% more than the TS55 and 25% more than the TS75: http://www.mafelltoolstore.com/mt55ccplcuts.html.  If you're cutting lots of 2" thick material, why even consider a TS55 or the Mafell?    The TS75 has more capacitity than the TS55 and is much less expensive than the Mafell.

The US regular price of the Mafell is $941.60.  On sale, it's still $825!  Way overpriced, IMO.  At $655.00, the TS75 gives you more capacity at a much lower cost.

Dan.

p.s. And then there's the issue of the Mafell sale price.  Products don't go on sale because they are hot products.  They go on sale because the product is overpriced.  Following the sale price the company starts marketing campaigns...  Like posting in a competitor's forum about the quality of another company's product.  [poke]

 

[mouppe]

Your point about the 2" cut is what I was saying. If you are repeatedly cutting material of that depth, why use a TS55? A TS75 would be much more comfortable. The speedo on my car goes up to 200 mph, but I rarely drive that fast. 

 

[Brice Burrell]

Your point about the 2" cut is what I was saying. If you are repeatedly cutting material of that depth, why use a TS55? A TS75 would be much more comfortable. The speedo on my car goes up to 200 mph, but I rarely drive that fast. 

The TS55 is best suited for my everyday work but that doesn't mean I wouldn't want to cut thicker stock more gracefully on the occasions I need it to do that.  Give us more horses under the hood please. [tongue]

 

[peter halle]

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[paulroy]

I would like to see a handle that is attached to the base plate for bevel cuts only. A handle that clicks in with no tools and would sit about 4 inch high. It always feels weird holding the base with your hand.

 

[andy5405]

If I had to pick one from all the ideas on here, I'm sold on the lockable dust port, brilliant idea.

 

[Christian A.]

The TS55 is only good if you like dust and don't saw any deeper than 30mm, that's the limit. The first model of the TS55 (only available a couple of months in the beginning) you could have had a great saw, because the temperature protection didn't kicked in so soon. Now if you are cutting a meranti door (40mm) the Festool wil jam!!! I't rediculas.

I have used my TS 55 (bought in 2003) to rip 50 mm thick beech. No problems. Now if ripping (and crosscutting) 50 mm or even thicker lumber (hardwood) was the main application for my circular saw, I'd probably contemplate a different model. In this case, the Mafell MT 55 wouldn't be my choice either. The tools to consider would be a Makita 5903R or a Mafell KSP 85 Fc, for instance.

Take a look at the Mafell MT55 and see if you can build a better machine than that, I'll doubt that!

I have never stumbled across a perfect tool so far. A riving knife would mean an improvement to the MT 55, at least in my opinion.

For what it's worth, Mafell's 160 mm diameter blades are 0.4 mm thinner than the Festool blades for the TS 55.

@JMB:
Thanks for your input on Mafell's flexible guide rail.

Greetings from Europe,

Christian

 

[Troll]

I'm not quite sure how or why this discussion has turned into a TS55 bashing.  Let's remember that the TS55 came out in 2004 (7 years ago) and the fact that it is, in my opinion,  a saw still amongst the best of its type available is a testimony to the careful design and engineering of Festool all those years ago.  I brought mine in late 2004, long before most people in the UK had even heard of Festool.  It cost about £325 with the rail.  I can honestly say that it had made more money for me than any other tool I have ever purchased.  Even today, when I used it to cut down some laminated worktop for shelving, I thanked the day I saw the TS55 on the internet.  It has performed faultlessly and I expect it to last another 7 years without a problem.

Of course, things move on and I'm sure that any replacement for the TS55 will once again set the standard for guide-rail  saws.  I've previously said that I'd like to see a bit more power in the saw (I'm sure the efficiency of motors has moved on - if it struggles now ripping 40mm beech block worktop I just make two passes), and the ability to cut at upto -3 degrees.  Other than that there's nothing else I'd need.  And notwithstanding that, I'd buy a TS55 tomorrow without question.

Troll

 

[cvandermey]

imperial measurements please. 

(what a great tool!)

 

[monte]

hmmm,

I know I'd probably be a minority here,

Having the TS55 & TS75 - I would like to have a TS95. [eek]

For the purpose of milling larger dimensional stock and angle cuts with a deeper depth.

(It would sit on the same shelf as the Jumbo Domino when it comes out) [big grin]

.

 

[ajones]

hmmm,

I know I'd probably be a minority here,

Having the TS55 & TS75 - I would like to have a TS95. [eek]

For the purpose of milling larger dimensional stock and angle cuts with a deeper depth.

(It would sit on the same shelf as the Jumbo Domino when it comes out) [big grin]

.

make it a ts110 and i'm in.

 

[Deansocial]

hmmm,

I know I'd probably be a minority here,

Having the TS55 & TS75 - I would like to have a TS95. [eek]

For the purpose of milling larger dimensional stock and angle cuts with a deeper depth.

(It would sit on the same shelf as the Jumbo Domino when it comes out) [big grin]

.

the maffel machine that go on the guide rail go upto a 245mm cut. i dont fancy hold 1 of them when it binds

 

[raiderone]

How about a TS65?  Surely 7 years with feedback should yield a lighter more powerful TS55.

 

[LBIsackson]

I love the TS-55... Very well designed for a small saw... It makes me money every time I use it
But I would like to see a digital resettable depth gauge in addition to the manual one..with the ability to switch between metric and imperial ... Everything else seems to be going digital why not Festool
A lockable dust port
3 degree tilt in
Addition of Vacuum suction on the front end so it can suck from both ends of the blade ... that way no blow out on through cuts..