Which Drill + Impact should i get???

[neth27]

Thats a impact wrench and it looks like a toy drill  [big grin]

John..

 

[jmbfestool]

Thats a impact wrench and it looks like a toy drill  [big grin]

John..

Fein is a good brand.    Festool looks like a Toy to many people.  Saying that the Fein drills do look even more toy like!  I agree! 

Looking at the Fein Impact WRENCH in the picture  the design looks very similar to Milwaukee old impact drill.    If it wasn't for the batterie and you coloured it red I would of thought it was a Milwaukee drill

 

[jmbfestool]

Here you go you will see what I mean!      

The air vents same amount of slots!

Trigger,reveres/forward switch and LED the Metal front section are all identical.    Even the Vertical rubber strip near the front end of the drill is identical  which ALWAYS ALWAYS comes off after about 2 weeks of using the drill very annoying!

Its like Milwaukee has now brought out a new Impact drill so Fein have taken over the old model Milwaukee.

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JMB

 

[Holz-Her]

Thats a impact wrench and it looks like a toy drill  [big grin]

John..

they will offer a impact driver too. Supplied by TTI.
There will be a german made 4-speed drill too:

 

[Toolstop]

Festool impact + !8v Drill ?

Makita 18v drill + impact ?

Dewalt 20v driil + Impact compact?

any comments?

Thanks Guys.

It is a difficult decision with these products,  if you can't make up your mind we have a blog post on the Makita 18v Impact driver: http://www.toolstop.co.uk/makita-btd129rfe-cordless-brushless-impact-driver-a1306.
Hope it helps!

Lorna, Toolstop.

 

[Bob Gerritsen]

As Pansonic is only mentioned ones I'll mention it a second time. When I'm getting an impact I'll be going for this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-EY7550LR2S-Cordless-Battery-Rechargeable/dp/B005AZ30HK

 

[mike68au]

If you want to standardise on Systainers and leverage Festool warranty and service the choice is simple. If you want some other specific brand and don't care about Centrotec that's a different story.

The Ti15 is a good impact for light construction ... but it's not the "best" impact on the market. If you're happy to pay a premium for an impact that isn't "the best" but is compatible with all of your other cordless Festools, Systainers, Centrotec, etc buy a C15 or T15 plus a Ti15. I was.

My exact sentiments. 

I had the T15 + a Makita Brushless, sold the Makita and got the Ti15....  for the way i use it it's perfect.

The one thing of course is if your choice is mainly based on the Impact ensure you are also happy with the Drill as well.

 

[TelcoRandy]

I'm very suprised that Fein was mentioned before Metabo but I'm even more shocked that no one said Metabo at all.

I've been using a Metabo LT hammer drill/driver for just a little over 3 years now and it's a phenominally reliable drill. Just 2 weeks ago my coworker was using my boss' and we abused the  out of that thing by using it to hoist batteries at top speed with our battery hoist. After about 12 batteries being lifted it started smoking it was so hot. Still works though.

Besides, Metabo's 18V LXT drills are the most powerful I've seen. The torque is also intense at 100Nm, that's 885 inch-lbs of torque!!!!!!!!!!! It isn't brushless but who cares, when the brushes wear out just replace them.

The Fein drill looks nice, I like that neat 4 speed switch and how it moves to 4 corners... 90Nm of power too, wow. Would that make it the most powerful brushless drill in the world? Festool's TI18 is 40Nm, Panasonic's is 54Nm, the Protool PDC is 50Nm. The Milwaukee Fuel 18V drill/driver is 725in-lbs or 82Nm...

My Metabo LT drill I use for work at 62Nm is underpowered. I can't sink 3/8" lag bolts into floor joists all the way with it, I still need to bust out a ratchet once in a while. So power is important in a drill too.
*Edit* the Protool PDC on Festool Australia says 50Nm but the Festool PDC on festool.co.uk says 60Nm... So it may be higher than I stated.

 

[jmbfestool]

I'm very suprised that Fein was mentioned before Metabo but I'm even more shocked that no one said Metabo at all.

I've been using a Metabo LT hammer drill/driver for just a little over 3 years now and it's a phenominally reliable drill. Just 2 weeks ago my coworker was using my boss' and we abused the  out of that thing by using it to hoist batteries at top speed with our battery hoist. After about 12 batteries being lifted it started smoking it was so hot. Still works though.

Besides, Metabo's 18V LXT drills are the most powerful I've seen. The torque is also intense at 100Nm, that's 885 inch-lbs of torque!!!!!!!!!!! It isn't brushless but who cares, when the brushes wear out just replace them.

The Fein drill looks nice, I like that neat 4 speed switch and how it moves to 4 corners... 90Nm of power too, wow. Would that make it the most powerful brushless drill in the world? Festool's TI18 is 40Nm, Panasonic's is 54Nm, the Protool PDC is 50Nm. The Milwaukee Fuel 18V drill/driver is 725in-lbs or 82Nm...

My Metabo LT drill I use for work at 62Nm is underpowered. I can't sink 3/8" lag bolts into floor joists all the way with it, I still need to bust out a ratchet once in a while. So power is important in a drill too.
*Edit* the Protool PDC on Festool Australia says 50Nm but the Festool PDC on festool.co.uk says 60Nm... So it may be higher than I stated.

I'm very suprised that Fein was mentioned before Metabo but I'm even more shocked that no one said Metabo at all.

I've been using a Metabo LT hammer drill/driver for just a little over 3 years now and it's a phenominally reliable drill. Just 2 weeks ago my coworker was using my boss' and we abused the  out of that thing by using it to hoist batteries at top speed with our battery hoist. After about 12 batteries being lifted it started smoking it was so hot. Still works though.

Besides, Metabo's 18V LXT drills are the most powerful I've seen. The torque is also intense at 100Nm, that's 885 inch-lbs of torque!!!!!!!!!!! It isn't brushless but who cares, when the brushes wear out just replace them.

The Fein drill looks nice, I like that neat 4 speed switch and how it moves to 4 corners... 90Nm of power too, wow. Would that make it the most powerful brushless drill in the world? Festool's TI18 is 40Nm, Panasonic's is 54Nm, the Protool PDC is 50Nm. The Milwaukee Fuel 18V drill/driver is 725in-lbs or 82Nm...

My Metabo LT drill I use for work at 62Nm is underpowered. I can't sink 3/8" lag bolts into floor joists all the way with it, I still need to bust out a ratchet once in a while. So power is important in a drill too.

I dont think you know what other benefits brushless offers other than wearing of brushes lol?!

You get LONGER battery life due to less energy loss from friction and heat
You get a smaller lighter tool but with equal or MORE power.
Less wearing of motor.

Now going to this power NM or inch-lbs of torque  is totally irrelevant in my opinion I have used many drills and if a drill is claiming X amount of Torque I dont give a DAM.  It means NOTHING in the real world.

I have found to often that a drill with less power according to specification can equal OR be more powerful than a drill which claims it has more torque.   Only way to truly find out how much power a tool/drill has is to TEST

 

[TelcoRandy]

You hit it right on the head about weight and better battery life. Another reason brushed drills suffer from the weight issue is because the solution to shorter run times (than brushless) is often to create larger batteries (I think Metabo is up to 5.2Ah now).

How much does mechanical commutation weigh down on the motor life though? I imagine it's significant under heavy use because of the heat generated from the brushes rubbing up against the commutator and also any arcing. But I rarely have to drill holes into steel frames at high speed/use my drill on a battery hoist. I presume that if the drill is kept reasonably cool the motor should be safe.

Which drill models have you come across that would fail to meet your expectations for torque in comparison to a model that was advertised as having less? Or are you referring to general power where a company may make a drill that has significant torque but has no speed and thus less power (watts  output)? I guess that's why Dewalt advertises their torque with an ambiguous power rating (UWO)...

And for your information, my knowledge of brushless motors goes beyond them not having brushes. I just personally feel there's a lot of hype generated by Milwaukee with their Fuel range and I question the reliability of some of these things as some of them may have cheap electronics that will fail long before the mechanical drives of a brushed drill. But I'm just not trusting by nature, and also a little ignorant. I did see a video of a guy submerging a Festool Ti18 in water on youtube that I was impressed by. I ended up buying the drill because of it.

 

[Paul G]

I've been using a Milwaukee M18 fuel hammer drill/driver for about a year now for everything from framing screws, lags, hole saws up to 7" through stucco, all kinds of boring/drilling in wood and concrete, drywall screws, mixing mud and paint, cabinet install, etc and the power has never been lacking, excellent trigger control and the battery life exceptional. My real world experience gives them 2 thumbs up.

 

[jmbfestool]

You hit it right on the head about weight and better battery life. Another reason brushed drills suffer from the weight issue is because the solution to shorter run times (than brushless) is often to create larger batteries (I think Metabo is up to 5.2Ah now).

How much does mechanical commutation weigh down on the motor life though? I imagine it's significant under heavy use because of the heat generated from the brushes rubbing up against the commutator and also any arcing. But I rarely have to drill holes into steel frames at high speed/use my drill on a battery hoist. I presume that if the drill is kept reasonably cool the motor should be safe.

Which drill models have you come across that would fail to meet your expectations for torque in comparison to a model that was advertised as having less? Or are you referring to general power where a company may make a drill that has significant torque but has no speed and thus less power (watts  output)? I guess that's why Dewalt advertises their torque with an ambiguous power rating (UWO)...

And for your information, my knowledge of brushless motors goes beyond them not having brushes. I just personally feel there's a lot of hype generated by Milwaukee with their Fuel range and I question the reliability of some of these things as some of them may have cheap electronics that will fail long before the mechanical drives of a brushed drill. But I'm just not trusting by nature, and also a little ignorant. I did see a video of a guy submerging a Festool Ti18 in water on youtube that I was impressed by. I ended up buying the drill because of it.

Yes dewalt being the main culprit with spec not living up to expectation.

Milwuakee always hype up everything  thing is Panasonic where using brushless for years and festool have had their T15 brushless out for a long time now. 

Milwaukee have not long released brushless fuel range but are making out its this brand new technology.

I take milwuakee with a pinch if salt! I like some of their stuff it is good but some stuff is totally the opposite really poor.

Seen the water video a while ago nice to know it works underwater but with rust likely to cause problems later I wouldn't try it lol.    Festool needs to join up with nano technology and have their drills sprayed with nano.  That will protect all the electronics