Which Festool sander if already have the Fein 6" ROS?

davidwilkie

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Which Festool sander if you already have a Fein MSf 636-1 6" ROS (see here)?

I know, the Festools are way better and not comparable, but while it is loud and vibrates, I have survived to date doing nearly 100% of my sanding with the Fein and still have a significant amount of abrasive (80 - 320) supply for it.

I am presuming the Fein is most like the 150 Rotex in terms of "application" and so would the 150/3 be the best compliment? Or should I begin with the Rotex and live with just that sander for everything as I have lived with using the Fein?
 
No, the Festool are NOT way better and they are comparable.

But, if you are going to stay 6" sell the Fein and get a Rotex 150 and an ETS 150/3.

I guess if you keep it you still need the Rotex.

Another alternative is to get the rotary sander Festool 115 and the Festool RO90 and keep your Fein.
 
If you already have a 6'' ROS then I'd suggest a sander that will let you get into corners and do finer stuff. The DTS400 comes into mind followed by the DX93.
 
David,

It would help to know the application for your sanding in order to give more detailed and targeted responses.

I am a hobbyist woodworker not a contractor whose time is more valuable, but here are my views.

I’ve used and had on long-term loan the Fein ROS but it might have been 8-inches, not 6.  Anyway, it had the same 5/16 inch = 8 mm stroke/orbit that yours has.  I found it to be a coarse, brute force professional machine although effective at removing a lot of wood and chose not to buy it from the owner.  It is not a Rotex as it has only one mode.  Perhaps it is most like an ETS 150/5 on steroids.

If you keep the Fein, then a far more manageable 6-inch ROS like the ETS 150/3 might be appropriate and a true orbital sander for square edges and/or flat surfaces.  The orbital sanders include the RS 2, RTS 400 and DTS 400.  I have all three of these and the nature of your work would determine which one to get.

If you choose to sell the Fein and if you have a stock of hook and loop paper, not the PSA stuff they also sell, you can repurpose the abbrasives for the Festool ROS.  To repurpose it, take the Fein paper, line it up in a pile with the holes aligned and using one sheet of Festool paper mark where you want the new holes, using the Fein holes that overlap.  Then clamp the paper between cauls and drill new holes with your drill press.

If you choose to sell the Fein, get a Rotex and ROS sander that can share the same abrasives, probably 6-inch.  A good combination would be RO 150, ETS 150/3 and one of the orbital sanders.

Then again, that is just the view of a hobbyist who makes furniture, has loads of sanders, no handheld circular saw and who has shelves of hand planes.

Gary
 
So a bit more on my usage: I basically use my Fein for every single sanding project I have -- furniture, cabinets and the odd house project -- unless it cannot get into the spot. But since I sand all my furniture or cabinet parts pre-construction (a highly recommended practice), I have not had too much need to get into corners.

My highest uses are
- pre-assembly sanding MDF for cabinets that are to be painted
- pre-assembly sanding hardwood laminated plywood
- pre-assembly sanding rails, stiles, legs, etc., for furniture projects
- post-assembly sanding to bring flush any parts of dissimilar thickness

I use the Fein from the roughest point (e.g., post planer, though the Dewalt leaves things pretty smooth) all the way to before finishing and even between coats of finish, so from grit 80 (rarely) all the way to 320. I find that I can usually start with 180 or 220 since the Fein is so aggressive. I just sanded a bunch of MDF for some cabinets and literally with 220 grit it takes one pass and it's pretty darn smooth. If I need really smooth for a desktop or something, I turn to my Porter-Cable 5" ROS that I have a wet sanding (neoprene type pad thingy) setup for.

I am partial to Shaker-style furniture design and European cabinet styles.

Maybe I just don't know what I am missing using only the Fein
 
David,

I do next to nothing with MDF except to use it for jigs and templates.  Similarly, I rarely use sanders to bring flush parts of dissimilar thickness unless that difference is somewhat less than 1/16 inch since I prefer hand planes and spokeshaves for such work.

I am partial to Queen Anne, Chippendale and like almost every furniture style up through at least 1830.

I use a lot of hardwood laminated plywood, especially mahogany, birch and maple veneer plywood.  I also make my own panels with mahogany and mahogany crotch veneer and marquetry on MDF cores.  I do a lot of work with mahogany hardwood and some work with oak and like you pre-finish or at least pre-sand my parts. 

Aside from the usual arguments on this board to the effect that most Festool sanders are superior to most of their much less expensive competitors, I believe adding true orbial sanders to your veneer, panel and furniture projects should greatly improve your work.  I feel the latest Festool orbital sanders, especially the RS 2,  RTS 400 and DTS 400 are superior to any similar sanders on the market.

Until I started buying a number of Festool sanders in 2008, my sanders were two 5-inch Porter-Cable ROS sanders, Porter-Cable 505 half sheet orbital, Porter-Cable 330 quarter-sheet "Speedbloc" sander and the original single speed Fein triangle sander from around 1991.  These worked well for me.

For those applications where a ROS sander is called for and for initial sanding of marquetry panels, I have switched to the Festool ES 150/3 and ES 125.  They are finer sanders.  My opinion is that the Festool have such superior dust collection that the abrasives last much longer and "corns" from shellac and other finishes rarely occur and therefore don't ruin my sanding.

In the past, my most used sander, by far, was the PC 330 followed by the PC 505.  Nothing that I bought or could jury-rig would cut down on the dust storm from the PC 505.  These sanders are true orbitals and allow sanding with the grain and clean up and perfect all surfaces after the ROS sanders.  I could find no sander to compete with them until I found the Festool RS2 and RTS 400.  For plywood panels, veneered panels, and marquetry large enough to support it, I can find no sander that comes anywhere near the Festool RS 2.  If you work on panels and have a dust collector/shop vac, you owe it to yourself to try out the RS 2.  You have 30 days to return it, but you won't.  I have a selection of the Rubin abrasives, but use primarily the Brilliant.  I usually have one each of 180, 220, 320 and 400 Brilliant-2 abrasives next to each other and rapidly go through this series on every part.  If necessary sanding is started with 150 grit.  There is no dust with this sander and surfaces are perfect.  This is the only sander that can upstage the 45 year old design of the PC 505.  For flat surfaces, the answer is the RS 2.

For smaller, narrower or curved parts or when I need to handle the sander on vertical surfaces and with one hand, I use the RTS 400 with the same series of Brilliant-2 abrasives.  If the PC 330 was quite easy to handle with one hand and has very low vibration, then the Festool RTS 400 is even easier with dust collection and has almost zero vibration.  It may have taken the industry over 30 years to get there, but the PC 330 has clearly been eclipsed.

You might be able to do a good job with the Fein ROS, but by adding the RS 2 and RTS 400 you will be able to do spectacular work with little effort in a dustless environment.

You really owe it to yourself to try them.

As for MDF cabinets and grinding down parts of radically dissimilar thickness, someone else will have to comment.

Gary
 
Just a comment on my note regarding sanding dissimilar parts post assembly:

I follow the practice of sanding anything that can be sanded pre production so I can run the sander on a flat surface without worrying about coming into contact with a perpendicular part. Also, if I have for example 4 legs, I will clamp them and sand all four together so the thicknesses are the same and have a wider sanding surface. My comment on sanding dissimilar thicknesses is not for parts of "radical" differences but more like edge joined boards or inlays where the differences are minimal but where pre assembly sanding didn't make sense.

All these comments are great and very helpful. Seems I was not thinking broadly enough in Festool's lineup. Equally I am a bit confused by which are actual ROS or not.
 
David,

I’m sure people will correct me on this, but here we go:

Pure Random Orbit Sander (ROS)

ETS 150/3 EQ
ETS 150/5 EQ
ETS 125 EQ

Pure Orbital Sander

RS 2 E
RTS 400 EQ
DTS 400 EQ
Deltex DX 97 E (maybe)

Pure Rotary
RAS 115.04 E

Combination (two separately switchable modes)
Rotary and Random Orbit Sander (ROS)

Rotex RO 125 FEQ
Rotex RO 150 FEQ

Gary

 
David,

You should look up and read Jerry Work's excellent paper on choosing and using the Festool sanders.

Gary
 
davidwilkie said:
Which Festool sander if you already have a Fein MSf 636-1 6" ROS (see here)?

I know, the Festools are way better and not comparable, but while it is loud and vibrates, I have survived to date doing nearly 100% of my sanding with the Fein and still have a significant amount of abrasive (80 - 320) supply for it.

I am presuming the Fein is most like the 150 Rotex in terms of "application" and so would the 150/3 be the best compliment? Or should I begin with the Rotex and live with just that sander for everything as I have lived with using the Fein?

Hi David,

Are you looking to get rid of the Fein and go the Festool route or just supplement your Fein?  I would opt for a Rotex as the best all around sander, but the 150 series sanders are ultra smooth and light weight and might compliment your Fein.  I just got mine, but I was in sanding heaven today when I had to use it to final sand a piece...rails and stiles and panels on a desk.  Worked better than I had expected.  I think that with the Rotex, 150 and DTS400 that there is not much that would come along that I wold not be able to handle with this trio.

Scot 
 
David, I looked into this myself.... I also have Fein 6"

It appears the logical Festool addition to the Fein would be to move to a smaller stroke and possibly a smaller size, if that is helpful.  The Feins stroke is quite large at 8mm.  So it really its best served as a rough, sander.  However, if your happy with the final product you are producing, well......

OTOH, its possible the Fein might be best utilized for rough sanding, and a Rotex 5" at 3.6mm stroke is quite a step down from the Fein for fine sanding, whereas the Rotex 6" has a 5mm stroke, much closer to the Fein.   

That is what I was thinking to compliment my Fein 6", as the Rotex the 5" pad is sufficient for my needs.  I would eventually end up with rough grits for the Fein, and finer grits for the Rotex 5".   

For those more experienced with the Festool line of sanders, is this sensible?

 
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