Which Japanese Waterstones should I get
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Tools for Working Wood has the Naniwa stones on sale now:
http://www.toolsforworkingwood.com/store/dept/CNW/item/MS-CHOSERA.XX/Japanese_%22Chosera%22_Waterstones_by_Naniwa
Joel has them w/o the plastic base so you can use both sides between flattening sessions.
http://www.toolsforworkingwood.com/store/dept/CNW/item/MS-CHOSERA.XX/Japanese_%22Chosera%22_Waterstones_by_Naniwa
Joel has them w/o the plastic base so you can use both sides between flattening sessions.
Thanks.
I checked it out.. Before shipping costs the Tools for Woodworking price for the 3-pack is only about 20 USD below the price for the individual stones at Dieter Schmid. When importing from outside of EU I'll have to add 25% VAT and a couple of percent for customs. The shipping will probably be cheaper at Dieter's.
If I go with the Naniwa I'll most likely take them from Dieter.
//Michael
I checked it out.. Before shipping costs the Tools for Woodworking price for the 3-pack is only about 20 USD below the price for the individual stones at Dieter Schmid. When importing from outside of EU I'll have to add 25% VAT and a couple of percent for customs. The shipping will probably be cheaper at Dieter's.
If I go with the Naniwa I'll most likely take them from Dieter.
//Michael
Well.. Haven't got any answer from Dieter yet. But I've spent the day consuming reviews, articles and YouTube. I'm really looking forward to start learning this. While the Tormek is speedy and works great, I'm having problems with:
1. Getting plane blades exactly 90 degrees
2. Getting a consistent honing angle when switching to the honing wheel
3. Honing wheel is too soft for real accuracy. I don't know if I need that accuracy, but I sure know that I want it
4. Flattening the backs
I'm now leaning towards this kit:
- Veritas Mk II honing guide
- DMT Dia-flat diamond plate for flattening
- Naniwa super stones, maybe 800, 3000, 8000
I want this bad and I want it NOW.. Counting the weekend and shipping it will be at least a week until I can dig into this new venture.. It's like waiting for Christmas.
1. Getting plane blades exactly 90 degrees
2. Getting a consistent honing angle when switching to the honing wheel
3. Honing wheel is too soft for real accuracy. I don't know if I need that accuracy, but I sure know that I want it
4. Flattening the backs
I'm now leaning towards this kit:
- Veritas Mk II honing guide
- DMT Dia-flat diamond plate for flattening
- Naniwa super stones, maybe 800, 3000, 8000
I want this bad and I want it NOW.. Counting the weekend and shipping it will be at least a week until I can dig into this new venture.. It's like waiting for Christmas.
The naniwa superstones can be tricky. They do make a really nice polish BUT they are very soft and the 'sticktion' of the stones makes honing a chisels back a real effort because the blade sticks to the stone really really hard. I would not recomend them as a basic set of stones, the naniwa chosera line are a bit harder and easier to handle.
Daniel and j123j. Thank you very much for your last minute information. I haven't pushed the button yet and this could very well change it.
As for the Naniwa, I was aiming for the Chosera, but then I read that they were kind of sensitive in regards of handeling. If they are left soaking too long they may get damaged. The Superstone don't have this issue it's stated at Dieter's site. But I didn't really understand the difference between them. Thanks for the info on this.
As for the diamond plates.. This is the way I'd really like to go. No flattening, no soaking, speedy process, easy storage. Thank you for the link. This cleared some questions for me. There are still some diamond questions though:
- As the abrasives are not *in* the stone, but only on the coating. There is no more abrasives to use when the coating is gone. How long would a diamond stone do a good job? I'm guessing that this wouldn't be an issue in my hobbyist shop at all, would it?
- Why did Paul Sellers stop at "super fine" (1200 grit) as DMT has an 8000 plate as well. Is that plate not.
Isn't the DMT line-up a little funny? The available plates are 325, 600, 1200, 8000. The 8000 will not leave a sheen, but a matte finish, I've read.
Well well.. I guess I'll spend another day reaserching.. As with most tool buys, the research is as costly as the tool itself. If I'd done some proper working instead of lurking, reading, YouTubing, I could have afforded several systems and tried them out. But I really enjoy a thorough pre-buying process.
Thank you all for your input. I'll dig some more..
As for the Naniwa, I was aiming for the Chosera, but then I read that they were kind of sensitive in regards of handeling. If they are left soaking too long they may get damaged. The Superstone don't have this issue it's stated at Dieter's site. But I didn't really understand the difference between them. Thanks for the info on this.
As for the diamond plates.. This is the way I'd really like to go. No flattening, no soaking, speedy process, easy storage. Thank you for the link. This cleared some questions for me. There are still some diamond questions though:
- As the abrasives are not *in* the stone, but only on the coating. There is no more abrasives to use when the coating is gone. How long would a diamond stone do a good job? I'm guessing that this wouldn't be an issue in my hobbyist shop at all, would it?
- Why did Paul Sellers stop at "super fine" (1200 grit) as DMT has an 8000 plate as well. Is that plate not.
Isn't the DMT line-up a little funny? The available plates are 325, 600, 1200, 8000. The 8000 will not leave a sheen, but a matte finish, I've read.
Well well.. I guess I'll spend another day reaserching.. As with most tool buys, the research is as costly as the tool itself. If I'd done some proper working instead of lurking, reading, YouTubing, I could have afforded several systems and tried them out. But I really enjoy a thorough pre-buying process.
Thank you all for your input. I'll dig some more..
Michael_Swe said:
Hi Michael,
He stopped at 1200 and then used the honing compound on the leather strop. I believe the diamond stones 325, 600 and 1200 would be like the 1200, 3000 and 6000 waterstones and the honing compound on the leather strop would be like using a 8000 or maybe 10000 waterstone. That's the way I understood it, but you can find more information on it. I am also a hobbyist and hope the DMT bench stones last me a very long time.
I bought the 3 pack of CFE from here:
www.craftsmanstudio.com
Daniel
I've now seen a lot of DMT videos. Some great are here www.askwoodman.com.
I'm sold. DMT it is.
I'm getting 325, 600, 1200, 8000.
//Michael
I'm sold. DMT it is.
I'm getting 325, 600, 1200, 8000.
//Michael
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I realize that the OP has probably gotten his sharpening set-up by now, but I just wanted to contribute to this informative thread.
I've been successfully using the Norton Waterstones up to 8000 with a Nagura Stone, and finishing with a leather strop and Green Chromium Oxide. Last year, I picked up a Veritas honing jig which I find terrific! I flatten my stones with 220 grit wet/dry sandpaper on a piece of glass.
When these stones need replacing, which is probably within this year, I'm thinking of getting this DMT set...
http://www.amazon.com/DMT-W6EFC-6-Inch-Diamond-Whetstone/dp/B003NCVFC4/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=2VU7JT4ZR3847&coliid=ITG3JPARFE42K
I've been successfully using the Norton Waterstones up to 8000 with a Nagura Stone, and finishing with a leather strop and Green Chromium Oxide. Last year, I picked up a Veritas honing jig which I find terrific! I flatten my stones with 220 grit wet/dry sandpaper on a piece of glass.
When these stones need replacing, which is probably within this year, I'm thinking of getting this DMT set...
http://www.amazon.com/DMT-W6EFC-6-Inch-Diamond-Whetstone/dp/B003NCVFC4/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=2VU7JT4ZR3847&coliid=ITG3JPARFE42K
