WHICH WAY (opinion needed)

derekcohen said:
The combination of horizontal and vertical makes for a poor match, a miss-mash. Keep them all the same, all vertical or all horizontal. Snip.

Regards from Perth

Derek

+1.

Can't agree more.
 
Late to the party but this photo helps the visualization process.
Vertical = swing
Horizontal = slide

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If you are going to install horizontal pulls, then make sure it is a design that will not hook onto garments when you are walking by.  The pulls on the black cabinets would be fine.

I have this style on a bathroom vanity and it is constantly hooking on my garments when I walk by.

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Equally, we can find kitchen designs that feature either H only or V only (or mix):

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Ultimately, the owner (or maker) or the better-half has to decide if it's function (over form), aesthetics or something else.

Given the appliance handles seen in the photos that afish shares, I'd still prefer a horizontal orientation for the door and drawer pulls.
 

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I agree with the vertical on doors and horz. on drawers with most hardware but the hardware itself needs to be taken into account as well.  the tabs are typically "almost" always horizontal.  Some other hardware looks good both ways like cheese posted.  The only reason it occurred to me to try them vertical was the issue on the one cabinet.  I didnt expect to like it all but once up I was a little surprised I didnt hate it.  That got me to question my design skills which is probably my weak point anyway.  Had the lowers had a mix of more doors but with such a strong horz. presence below the all vertical on the uppers just looked to far out of place to me.  Ergonomically I notice zero difference between V&H on the doors. So, thats of no consequence to me. I am partial to minimal hardware for several reasons but not a fan of the tip on style doors since I have kids that cant seem to grasp the concept of pushing the door that last inch so I end up with cabinet doors that are all open slightly...

Either way its a done deal now they are mostly installed.  Im waiting on my opening restrictor before doing the door by the fridge incase I need to possibly shorten the tab a little.  I figure I can get away with shortening it a bit without it looking odd since its over by itself.  Now if I could get my drawer hardware and an undamaged dishwasher I would be in good shape.  Waiting on the 3rd attempt on the dishwasher to show up without any shipping damage  [mad]

 
 
Horizontal doesn't bother me on swing doors, as long as the pull is on the corner. 

If it's centered, I'd expect it to either pull out like a drawer, or lift up like a hatch.

Good lookin kitchen!
 
Kitchen cabinet doors are light enough that ergonomics don’t really matter as much as they might in other situations. So I would go with aesthetics and put them all horizontal.
 
Spandex said:
Kitchen cabinet doors are light enough that ergonomics don’t really matter as much as they might in other situations. So I would go with aesthetics and put them all horizontal.

I disagree. 

I always use the cabinet pull to open the cabinet door.  But on my pantry cabinet, the pull is located lower than expected.  So while I use the pull to open the cabinet, I invariably simply palm the door closed at a suitable height.  The net result is that the door gets dirty at that spot.  Over the years the repeated cleaning of that spot has resulted in wear on the finish. 

Ergonomics does matter.
 
That’s a very specific example that doesn’t apply to the OPs question though. For the doors he’s talking about, and the two handle positions he’s considering, the ergonomic differences are small enough not to be an issue.
 
I get the ergo. point but I do agree with spandex the doors in question are not large doors and are light, easy to open.  Plus the handle would be pretty much in the same location just oriented differently.  Having a handle in a bad spot vs. a good spot is a different story ergonomically.  The whole H vs. V orientation being more ergonomic is somewhat subjective too similar to the Kapex vs. dewalt miter saw handle. A vertical handle like on the Kapex is not my fav.  I much prefer the horz. style handle on the Dewalt.  Not sure if that influenced my decision but I have opened and closed these doors many times already and I highly doubt the vertical handle would make any difference to me at least from an ergonomic standpoint.   
 
afish said:
Thanks, thats the way im leaning as well.  Blum makes a restrictor clip I just need to locate the right one.

Restrictor clips, I'm assuming from the style of cabinets you have clip top hinges.

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I find to install them easily, remove the hinge completely.

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For opening a cabinet door, horizontal or vertical seems of little concern. 

But for closing the door, I think the vertical position encourages using the handle rather than just palming the door shut.  The horizontal position does not do the same (for me).
 
tjbnwi said:
afish said:
Thanks, thats the way im leaning as well.  Blum makes a restrictor clip I just need to locate the right one.

Restrictor clips, I'm assuming from the style of cabinets you have clip top hinges.

70T3553.

I find to install them easily, remove the hinge completely.

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Tom
Yes cliptop blumotion I ordered some off amazon should be here Thur. 
 
squall_line said:
I live in a Mid-century home with loop pulls that are all mounted on a 45-degree angle.  In. Every. Room.  [blink]

Someone apparently didn't want to have to decide between H and V.  [big grin]

I have seen that done once. Freaked me right out. Who would do that? and why?
 
Very late, but I would have chosen a slightly different (vertical, but maybe shorter in the same family) pull for the swing doors or done tip-on.
 
If you want to keep them all horizontal for reasons of uniformity, I see four options - of varying desirability - for the troublesome door: fit a restrictor to limit the door opening; put the hinges on the other side so that it opens to the left; make a cut-down (shorter) handle for that one door (which could look a little odd, or could look downright annoying, YMMV); fit a hidden press-to-open catch on that one, omit the handle altogether and leave it appearing to be not-a-cupboard...  So... a compromise of some sort is inevitable!

In the all-horizontal format, it's only the units above the window that my mind might 'expect' to hinge upwards.

Not for this kitchen, but I think the 45-degree approach can work in the right setting - but only if the pulls are small, semi-circular and set in the corners of the doors.
 
Well the restrictor plates were not enough.  "took off the restrictor plate to give the red dragon a little more juice, but lets keep that on the down low. not exactly street legal" Thats a movie quote, can anyone name the movie? 

Anyways looks like Im going to try some type of flap stay.  Anyone have a nice one preferably stainless they can recommend most of the ones I see are pretty cheap looking. Dont need or want any pneumatic ones. 
 
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