Whitehall rowing boat
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Dan was this project a build or a repair?
Brice,
It was a project build. I started out with a couple sheets of 1/4" marine mahogany and 3 gals. of epoxy. It was my first build. I've rehabbed a few boats, but this was by far the most fun. I sure gave the sanders and ct22 a work-out. It's build for awhile, sand, sand, sand... you get the idea.
It was a project build. I started out with a couple sheets of 1/4" marine mahogany and 3 gals. of epoxy. It was my first build. I've rehabbed a few boats, but this was by far the most fun. I sure gave the sanders and ct22 a work-out. It's build for awhile, sand, sand, sand... you get the idea.
My wife informed a couple of years ago that my retirement project will be to either build or restore a Chris-Craft run about for her. I told her that I'd start on that as soon as she bought me a heated pole barn.
I mentioned to her that Festool was raising their prices and she did suggest that I hurry up and buy the OF1400 router before the price increases take effect. Gotta like it.....
Fred
I mentioned to her that Festool was raising their prices and she did suggest that I hurry up and buy the OF1400 router before the price increases take effect. Gotta like it.....
Fred
Hey Fred,
Sounds like you have a keeper. You get to buy tools AND build a boat! Lucky dude. I have to bury my tool buys in the business!!! It's amazing how many different tools one needs to install cabinets!!
If you are serious about rehabbing or building new, I would suggest Glen-L design. Lots of plans and an almost inexhaustable supply of advice for new builds. I have done some rehabs, and although it's cool to have the real thing, money and time are two tools Festool doesn't sell... Not yet!!
Dan
Sounds like you have a keeper. You get to buy tools AND build a boat! Lucky dude. I have to bury my tool buys in the business!!! It's amazing how many different tools one needs to install cabinets!!
If you are serious about rehabbing or building new, I would suggest Glen-L design. Lots of plans and an almost inexhaustable supply of advice for new builds. I have done some rehabs, and although it's cool to have the real thing, money and time are two tools Festool doesn't sell... Not yet!!Dan
Thinking about trying a cold molded hull. Years ago I bought the Gougeon Brothers book and have been trying to convince myself to try it ever since. I need to look around one of these days to see if I can find some suitable plans for cold molding.
Fred
Fred
Fred,
Yea, The G-Bros' wrote the book on cold molding. It's a surprisingly simple yet difficult procedure the first time out. (kinda like the first time fine tuning a chop saw out of the box!) I've done a little bit of research on the West System, ( I am certainly NOT an expert, more like a novice who knows enough to get into trouble), but I'm happy to share what I do know. One thing for sure, Don't wait. I've learned more working on one little skiff than on a hundred cabinets!! (besides, ever catch a fish from a bookcase??)
Dan
Yea, The G-Bros' wrote the book on cold molding. It's a surprisingly simple yet difficult procedure the first time out. (kinda like the first time fine tuning a chop saw out of the box!) I've done a little bit of research on the West System, ( I am certainly NOT an expert, more like a novice who knows enough to get into trouble), but I'm happy to share what I do know. One thing for sure, Don't wait. I've learned more working on one little skiff than on a hundred cabinets!! (besides, ever catch a fish from a bookcase??)
Dan
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Beautiful boat Dan, impressive first project boat ! I'm sure it gets plenty of attention at the boat ramps. Nothing like that sound of the water on the wooden hull The barrel back project is big step up - lots of details and mechanicals etc. Good luck with that.
What's the length on the Whitehall ? Did you use fiberglass cloth ? Weight ? Looks like it is nimble and stable on the water.
I built a 15' outboard skiff "tac and tape", a Phil Bolger design. And it was a great project. Been longing to start another. Was really close to starting the Shell Back dingy but never did. These days I daydream of building ( and rowing ) the Oarling by Devlin boats.
The barrel back project is big step up - lots of details and mechanicals etc. Good luck with that.What's the length on the Whitehall ? Did you use fiberglass cloth ? Weight ? Looks like it is nimble and stable on the water.
I built a 15' outboard skiff "tac and tape", a Phil Bolger design. And it was a great project. Been longing to start another. Was really close to starting the Shell Back dingy but never did. These days I daydream of building ( and rowing ) the Oarling by Devlin boats.
She's 15' oa. about 125 lbs., light enough for car topping, but I drive a PT Cruiser, so the trailer seemed to fit well. Yea, the barrel back is a bit of a jump, (about 200hp!!) But I've repaired enough rotten transoms, hulls, etc., I just need to see some fresh wood!! If I'm lucky, I'll get her in the water by fall. (don't ask what year)
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Dan,
Beautiful job on the boat! She should be a pleasure to row around in. I love the Whitehall form. Any interest in a sail rig and center board?
Fred,
Cold molding is an OK process if you want to get into vacuum bagging. It is hard to get the wood strips to go where you want and sucked down with staples and epoxy slipping around (I repaired a few Luders 16 sail boats). It can be done but it is messy. Stitch and glue is way quicker but you need to pick a lapstrake design like Dan's or something hard chined.
Mike
Beautiful job on the boat! She should be a pleasure to row around in. I love the Whitehall form. Any interest in a sail rig and center board?
Fred,
Cold molding is an OK process if you want to get into vacuum bagging. It is hard to get the wood strips to go where you want and sucked down with staples and epoxy slipping around (I repaired a few Luders 16 sail boats). It can be done but it is messy. Stitch and glue is way quicker but you need to pick a lapstrake design like Dan's or something hard chined.
Mike
It does look like a lot of work, but I think it would produce a hull that would require less maintenance. Seems like it would effectively be stronger and lighter weight than a fiberglass hull yet not much more maintenance than a glass hull.
Don't know if that's true or not, but it sure sounds good
I'd definitely try it with a small boat before tackling anything of any size.
Fred
Don't know if that's true or not, but it sure sounds good
I'd definitely try it with a small boat before tackling anything of any size.Fred
Here's a boat I've thought about building a few times.
http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/spin.htm
Fred
http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/spin.htm
Fred
Thanks Mike. No I haven't really thought about a sail rig. It's not because of the boat, but the would-be sailor!!! I've always depended on man made power.. the old dog/ new tricks thing.
Fred, you might want to also look at boatdesigns.com, if you haven't already. Lots of info on cold mold, etc. The barrelback 19 is what I'm going for. I agree with Mike that its a messy process, but I do think it ultimately produces a better hull.
Dan
Fred, you might want to also look at boatdesigns.com, if you haven't already. Lots of info on cold mold, etc. The barrelback 19 is what I'm going for. I agree with Mike that its a messy process, but I do think it ultimately produces a better hull.
Dan
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Fred,
The nesting dinghy is cool. That's a good way to store a big tender on a smaller yacht/storage shed. Looks like it would be easier to build stitch-n-tape, but if you have your heart set on cold molding I would look for something with a rounded hull. You can't bend the laminate around those hard chines( maybe they have a version with round bottom I didn't see?). You can still do it cold molding but you will have to laminate the bilge then the top sides and perhaps glass tape over the chine for abrasion protection.
Mike
Anyway,anything is better than fiberglass.
Yuck.
The nesting dinghy is cool. That's a good way to store a big tender on a smaller yacht/storage shed. Looks like it would be easier to build stitch-n-tape, but if you have your heart set on cold molding I would look for something with a rounded hull. You can't bend the laminate around those hard chines( maybe they have a version with round bottom I didn't see?). You can still do it cold molding but you will have to laminate the bilge then the top sides and perhaps glass tape over the chine for abrasion protection.
Mike
Anyway,anything is better than fiberglass.
Yuck.Mike
I agree that the stitch method would be easier, and I doubt that this particular boat would be a good candidate for cold molding. I just thought it would be a neat little boat, maybe a replacement for my current 11' inflatible. Plus I like the idea of a boat that rows, tows, powers, and sails in at least an acceptable fashion, that's light weight and can be stored in a relatively small space.
Dan,
Thanks for the offer of sharing your experience. Where are you located? South Haven, MI, where I keep my current boat, has a wooden boat show every year and I really enjoy viewing the boats.
Fred
I agree that the stitch method would be easier, and I doubt that this particular boat would be a good candidate for cold molding. I just thought it would be a neat little boat, maybe a replacement for my current 11' inflatible. Plus I like the idea of a boat that rows, tows, powers, and sails in at least an acceptable fashion, that's light weight and can be stored in a relatively small space.
Dan,
Thanks for the offer of sharing your experience. Where are you located? South Haven, MI, where I keep my current boat, has a wooden boat show every year and I really enjoy viewing the boats.
Fred
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Dan,
Oh Yea. The Barrel Back 19 8). You got to build that one. That thing looks fast standing still. Mahogany veneer I hope?
Mike
Oh Yea. The Barrel Back 19 8). You got to build that one. That thing looks fast standing still. Mahogany veneer I hope?
Mike
Mike , Yep mahogany for sure. My dad built a Chris craft 14'er kit from Sears in '60 or so. Been a fan since. Fast little bugger. (probably not much bigger than today's PWC's.) we grew up with that boat. Real wood for sure. I agree, fiberglass PHOOEY-BLAH.
Fred, You are near Detroit, No? I'm in Wheaton, Chicago suburbs. Love to see the show, I'll get on line to see dates, etc. I may be out that way in a few weeks or so for a job in Flint. (I'm a traveling cabinet installer) Love to hook-up for cold adult beverages and talk boats.
Thanks guys, Dan
Fred, You are near Detroit, No? I'm in Wheaton, Chicago suburbs. Love to see the show, I'll get on line to see dates, etc. I may be out that way in a few weeks or so for a job in Flint. (I'm a traveling cabinet installer) Love to hook-up for cold adult beverages and talk boats.
Thanks guys, Dan
Dan,
Nope, I'm on other side of the state almost due east of Waukegon on the other side of Lake MI. BTW, I've got a few hundred board feet of burmese teak that would be great for deck planks.
Show is in South Haven , MI July 7th this year, put on by the Maritime Museum.
http://www.michiganmaritimemuseum.org/
Give a yell when you're passing this way.
Fred
Nope, I'm on other side of the state almost due east of Waukegon on the other side of Lake MI. BTW, I've got a few hundred board feet of burmese teak that would be great for deck planks.
Show is in South Haven , MI July 7th this year, put on by the Maritime Museum.
http://www.michiganmaritimemuseum.org/
Give a yell when you're passing this way.
Fred
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