Who makes this container?

[rljatl]

See bullet point number 2.  Actually, see bullet points 1 and 2.

I've seen them. I don't understand why you feel the need to point them out again. Just offering an explanation why companies seem to miss out on opportunities to make money as that seems to amaze you. Because of laws and regulations. For instance.

I pointed the bullet points out to you again because in this particular case they demonstrate that laws and regulations are not the reason this company is not selling their products to individuals.  Many companies sell at both the retail and wholesale levels.  (Philosophically, I believe that less regulation is better than more, generally speaking.)

Bullet point number 1 makes it clear that this company can indeed sell the drill bit containers to individuals if they wanted to.  It is just that they have determined that it takes 2500 to make it worth their while.  It has nothing to do with any law or regulation.

Bullet point number 2 also makes it clear that there is no law or regulation that is keeping this company from selling more of these containers.  It is their decision not to make these containers available to retailers.  That is where they are missing the opportunity to make money.  Surely Amazon could sell 2500 of these.  How many other retailers would be selling these containers and this companies other products if they were made available?

Can you imagine how much more money they could be making if they chose to sell direct through their website and through other retailers?

 

[AlexThePalex]

Bullet point number 1 makes it clear that this company can indeed sell the drill bit containers to individuals if they wanted to.  It is just that they have determined that it takes 2500 to make it worth their while.  It has nothing to do with any law or regulation.

Bullet point number 2 also makes it clear that there is no law or regulation that is keeping this company from selling more of these containers.

Sorry, but those bullet points don't make anything clear. That's a lot of information you take out of a few words, and that information simply isn't there. Conjecture.

Under European law, in most cases you can't sell directly to private consumers as a manufacturer, but only to other companies. If a manufacturer wanted to do that, they'd have to start a separate business on retailer level, and there's a lot of fees and taxes to be paid with that. If you're a company that is used to dealing with minimum orders of 2500, that is probably not worth their while.

It is their decision not to make these containers available to retailers.  That is where they are missing the opportunity to make money.  Surely Amazon could sell 2500 of these.  How many other retailers would be selling these containers and this companies other products if they were made available?

Can you imagine how much more money they could be making if they chose to sell direct through their website and through other retailers?

Yeah, it's their decision not to make these available. There is probably a good reason for it. Your projected sales figures on Amazon are just speculation. You don't know how those boxes would do. Even if they would be succesful on Amazon, a figure of 2500 would be peanuts to them. They probably sell hundreds of thousands of boxes (or more) every week to companies all around the world.   

 

[mac sparrow]

Not available separately Period. [big grin]

http://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.XROSE+Kunststoffkassette&_nkw=ROSE+Kunststoffkassette&_sacat=0

There's always one......................

Nice find - now if only somebody could find a selection of colours  [big grin]

 

[rljatl]

Bullet point number 1 makes it clear that this company can indeed sell the drill bit containers to individuals if they wanted to.  It is just that they have determined that it takes 2500 to make it worth their while.  It has nothing to do with any law or regulation.

Bullet point number 2 also makes it clear that there is no law or regulation that is keeping this company from selling more of these containers.

Sorry, but those bullet points don't make anything clear. That's a lot of information you take out of a few words, and that information simply isn't there. Conjecture.

Under European law, in most cases you can't sell directly to private consumers as a manufacturer, but only to other companies. If a manufacturer wanted to do that, they'd have to start a separate business on retailer level, and there's a lot of fees and taxes to be paid with that. If you're a company that is used to dealing with minimum orders of 2500, that is probably not worth their while.

It is their decision not to make these containers available to retailers.  That is where they are missing the opportunity to make money.  Surely Amazon could sell 2500 of these.  How many other retailers would be selling these containers and this companies other products if they were made available?

Can you imagine how much more money they could be making if they chose to sell direct through their website and through other retailers?

Yeah, it's their decision not to make these available. There is probably a good reason for it. Your projected sales figures on Amazon are just speculation. You don't know how those boxes would do. Even if they would be succesful on Amazon, a figure of 2500 would be peanuts to them. They probably sell hundreds of thousands of boxes (or more) every week to companies all around the world. 

Alex, maybe in the EU.  But in the US, betcha a nickle that I am right.  Didn't mac sparrow already call them?  Sounded like they would sell retail if 2500 were ordered.

 

[mculik5]

Thanks to mac sparrow for getting detailed info from Rose Plastic in Europe.

I did some more poking around Rose Plastic's US website, and called for US pricing. Fortunately, their US pricing model seems a bit more flexibile than their European model.

The most useful RoseBoxes matching the Festool size are:

Model 4B set 03 - 1mm-13mm drill bits in 0.5mm incremements
Model 4B set 07 - 1/16" - 1/2" drill bits in 1/64" increments
Model 4B set 105 - A-Z letter gauge drill bits
Model 4A set 38 - empty 4A box
Model 4B set 34 - empty 4B box

FYI, the difference between the 4A and 4B boxes is the thickness. Rose Plastic do make other sizes, but since I don't believe these would stack with the Festool boxes, I decided to ignore them for purposes of this post.

The woman I spoke with was very friendly and informed me that the US minimum quantity is 1 carton, which is 38 RoseBoxes. The price for 4B set 03/set 07 is $7.3623/RoseBox, or $279.77/carton, plus shipping I presume.

They have a minimum order amount of $200, and the lead time is as 12-16 weeks, as the RoseBoxes come from China.

Could probably swing a group buy if enough folks are interested. I'm also going to pass this thread along to Tool Nut to see if they'd be interested in bringing RoseBoxes on as a product.

Lastly, for what it's worth, the Woodriver bit set posted by elfick is 4B set 03, and the associated imperial set (http://www.woodcraft.com/product/151040/WoodRiver%2025%20Piece%20Metric%20Brad%20Point%20Drill%20Bit%20Index%20Set.aspx) is 4B set 07.

 

[mculik5]

I reached out to Tool Nut regarding these boxes.

As if we didn't already have enough reasons to love them, Sean at Tool Nut demonstrated how customer-centric his company is by responding to my request quickly, taking it seriously, and actually reaching out to Rose Plastic. Awesome!

Unfortunately, the minimum order of 38 that I was quoted is wrong. The actual minimum order is 1000 boxes, which is, understandably, too much inventory for Tool Nut to take on.

So, no go on these, even as a group buy. Guess we'll all need to buy the WoodRiver sets.  Thanks all for your research and posts.