Why I bought HK55 + FSK420 instead of TS55 + Kapex

The HK 55 was my second Festool purchase and my first purchase of a saw from the company.  The first tool was the Finish sander 150/3.

First impressions of the tool are it feels great.  Light weight and easy to operate.  Although I slammed my left thumb a few times when hitting the switch to disengage the plunge feature.  Seems like a really odd thing for designers to not plan into the saws operation but it will only happen a few times before your brain remembers "place thumb there = experience pain"

Super easy bevel adjustments.  The plunge depth adjustments are super easy too... again, the first few times I probably looked like a total noob as I tried to figure out the correct sequence of steps but it only took about 15 minutes of using the saw to get it under muscle memory. 

Clean cuts but I guess you all know that..

The saw saved my life on a job where I was installing 9" MDF baseboard and my SCMS experiences a catastrophic bearing failure which caused damage to the armature.  Having no other options for cutting base this large I took the plunge when I walked into the lumberyard and they have the saw on display.  It is a different head you need to use as planning out certain cuts can be pretty tricky when using a saw like the HK55 instead of a SCMS.  Small cuts ( 8" or less )  which have an outside miter on one side and a cope on the other created the most issues but maybe having a more "festoon like" system of clamps/bench dogs would make this easier/safer.  I had to make due and it was awkward but achievable. 

What I am not entirely happy about is the amount of dust still tossed around the room when cutting MDF.  Maybe my expectations were too high all things considered.  The blade shroud allows a lot of dust to escape during the plunge operation.. I guess with the regular track saws this isn't as much of an issue since the blade is fully enclosed?  Once engaged ( the plunge operation ) the dust collection seemed adequate, but again not exactly what I was expecting given the Festool claim to fame regarding dust collection. ( hooked up to a RIGID portable vac with a bag installed )  The saw seems to pick up the same amount of dust my EZSMART equipped circular saws are able to pick up.  Not familiar... ? - EZSmart system.  For the cost of the saw, I feel my expectations are not unrealistic ones... I know some dust will get out but it sure felt like 20-25% of the dust made it out on plunge and 15-20% was escaping during the cutting operation.  Not enough to cut inside a customers house without setting up plastic walls for all day cutting jobs.  By comparison, my SCMS setup captures at least 90% as I have the Fastcap saw tent thing.. can't remember the same but you probably all know what I am talking about.  That combined with a shop vac is pretty effective at keeping the dust right under the say station.  Once I shifted over to the HK55... the entire room was covered in a layer of dust by the end of the day. 

So, I am hoping a modification might be available to help capture more of that dust.  I'll have to look up the part the user mentioned above which is slightly modified from the TS55. 

All in all, I am pretty happy although I still have moments where I am debating whether I chose the right saw for my needs.  I just really like the idea of this saw operating like a standard circ saw and no track required.  I have about 15 days left on the 30 day return..  I'll be debating that with myself and also considering the substantial financial investment by continuing to drink the green cool-aid  [big grin] - that has been the hardest part for me to swallow in all honesty.
 
Thanks for the review. Im still on the fence about this saw as well. Debating whether the extra capabilities of the HK are worth the extra cost for me over a Makita track saw. Id like to hear more about Daves dust collection mod as thats an important factor for me.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk

 
"What I am not entirely happy about is the amount of dust still tossed around..."

You don't describe your cutting setup and you're pretty new to Festool so I'll just suggest that you do your cutting on a sacrificial panel like foam insulation board. This is standard operating procedure with the TS saws and it significantly improves dust collection.
 
Well many of the cuts were made with no sacrificial surface under the base.  I placed a few strips of wood to lift the base off my work table and cut so that probably has something to so with the amount of dust that was flying around.  I will take that tip and try it out tomorrow!  Thanks. 

The plunge into the MDF is where most of the dust that made it all over the room came from.  I suspect that is just the fact of life I will have to get used to if I decide to stay with the HK 55.  It's possible that the TS55 might be the better choice but I still really like the form factor of the HK, it's use without a rail and the single knob to change the bevel which I need to operate quite frequently if cutting wide mouldings. 
 
jgowrie said:
Well many of the cuts were made with no sacrificial surface under the base.  I placed a few strips of wood to lift the base off my work table and cut so that probably has something to so with the amount of dust that was flying around.  I will take that tip and try it out tomorrow!  Thanks. 

The plunge into the MDF is where most of the dust that made it all over the room came from.  I suspect that is just the fact of life I will have to get used to if I decide to stay with the HK 55.  It's possible that the TS55 might be the better choice but I still really like the form factor of the HK, it's use without a rail and the single knob to change the bevel which I need to operate quite frequently if cutting wide mouldings. 

For me expensive wide moldings will always be cut on a tuned up miter saw. No way in heck an I drawing a saw across moldings, especially finished. I see these saws for framing, not trim work myself.
 
yes..if you read my first post though you will see my SCMS went down and is in for repair now.  I really didn't have much choice if I wanted to continue working.  Honestly, the saw actually did a great job cutting the miters for outside joints and copes. You wouldn't I cut them with a fancy circsaw by just looking at them.  This was MDF so nothing was pre-finished and all the cuts were made with a track so the base of the saw never rode across the surface of the moulding.
 
So today I tried putting a piece of cardboard on the blade side of the saw as it was cutting.  This resulted in what I was hoping for.. this provided the "virtually dust-free" results promised by the Festool advertising.  So now it's just a matter of seeing if I can make that modification to the Cover Plate or I'll figure something else out.  The dust that was spitting out into the room during the plunge action was getting sucked right up by the vac.  I also made sure to have a sacrificial surfaced under the boards I was cutting and that further eliminated the dust. 

I'm not sure who the target audience is for this saw but it seems to be a pretty sweet set up for a trim carpenter / cabinet maker.  I guess the thing I like most about the saw is the familiar feel it has for me coming from using Makita / Hitachi circ saws.  I can't say this from experience since I have never used a TS 55 but from what I have experienced, this saw might start taking some sales away from the TS 55?  Seems a few of the FOG users that have used both feel that way. 

Thanks for the tips!
 
jgowrie said:
I'm not sure who the target audience is for this saw but it seems to be a pretty sweet set up for a trim carpenter / cabinet maker.

Actually, I think the target audience for this saw is the framer group, which usually cuts 2X materials. The trim carpenter & cabinet maker have the TS 55 to drool over.
 
So I am curious about a more experienced users thoughts... I am looking at the HK55 as a tracksaw minus a few niceties of the TS55 but at a fairly cheaper price.  I know they are marketing it as a saw for rough carpentry but it is way more than that, isnt it?  Is the TS55 that much better?  From what I can tell the HK55 has more ability with depth of cut and can use the FSK AND FS track.  Setting a bevel cut is faster/more convenient.  It is also more useable off a track.. I am not even sure you would want or be able to use the TS models pff a track?  With the right blade, the saw is capable of high quality finished cuts.  The HK doesnt have the splinter gaurd for the right side of the blade and the blade is more exposed during the cut so dust collection isn't as good out of the box.  Aside from these two small downsides, is there something else I am missing since I dont have experience using the TS55?

 
I've experience of both. In my opinion the HK is the allrounder on a site, mostly outdoors. The TS is more for indoor use on a site or for furniture making. For example when you are a contractor, build complete houses and you have both; I think in the beginning you will take the HK and leave the TS in the van further in progress when you more jobs to do inside you'll take the TS and leave the HK in the van.

In the near future, would I buy a TS? Yes!
After purchase a TS would I sell my HK? Certainly not!
 
Will the TS55 work with the FSK420 rail such that the TS55 can
do cutoff and miters like you can with the HK55+FSK420 combo.

So I guess what I am asking can you mount the TS55 on a FSK420
rail and have it operate like the HK55. I know the TS55 is a plunge
saw and the HK55 is normally not used in plunge mode.
 
[member=233]Bob D

Bob D. said:
Will the TS55 work with the FSK420 rail such that the TS55 can
do cutoff and miters like you can with the HK55+FSK420 combo.

So I guess what I am asking can you mount the TS55 on a FSK420
rail and have it operate like the HK55. I know the TS55 is a plunge
saw and the HK55 is normally not used in plunge mode.

No. The TS saws will only work on the FS rails, the HK saws will work on the FS and FSK rails
 
I don't think there is anyway to avoid the fine dust particles that MDF puts off atleast not with a portable dust collector.
 
Just found this thread and appreciate the great write up! I've played with this saw in the store and think it would be awesome for construction/framing. I used to either drag out my Kapex on the rolling stand or more commonly set up my older 10" Makita SCMS for cutting 2x lumber. I personally hate using the Skil 77 saw I have as it's heavy, kicks hard on startup, and will fling itself into my face if the wood pinches the blade. And I've dragged my TS 55 and long rails out to job sites for cutting sheathing. However I think I may have built the last outbuilding our little farmette will ever need so I'm not sure I'll ever justify getting one :(
 
I have a HKC and initially didn't see the point to them (the advertising showing a bloke cutting roof battens didn't help show its capabilities off much) but then I saw David Stantons Youtube thing. Bought one and what a great tool it is.

I have to unload and load my tools from/to the van every workday so I can't stand the big numb sliding compound mitre saws, I just have a small light Makita but for a greater length of cut the HKC is a real timesaver.

Plus I have a TS55 set up for ripping sheets and the HKC for crosscutting. Great for making up pipeboxing.
 
jgowrie said:
...and the blade is more exposed during the cut so dust collection isn't as good out of the box.  Aside from these two small downsides, is there something else I am missing since I dont have experience using the TS55?

Actually, the dust collection with a just a bag on the HKC is pretty impressive for an open blade saw. Festool did a great job in channeling all of the sawdust to the outlet port of the saw. Haven't tried it with a vac attached yet, that should be even better.
 
Cheese said:
Actually, the dust collection with a just a bag on the HKC is pretty impressive for an open blade saw. Festool did a great job in channeling all of the sawdust to the outlet port of the saw. Haven't tried it with a vac attached yet, that should be even better.

I've used my HKC with an extractor (my CTM 26) and its pretty good, Not as good as my TS55 as the dust shroud/blade cover isn't as big but its still better than any other saw I've used.

Obviously being a cordless tool it doesn't switch the CTM on when I start it but thats not rocket science to flick a switch.
 
Back
Top