Why I bought HK55 + FSK420 instead of TS55 + Kapex

endjur

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There is a lot of discussion on HK(C) 55 saws recently on FOG, so I thought it would be nice to write first post on FOG and share some of my experiences with that saw. I have HK 55 (corded version) + FSK 420 cross cut rail for about 8 months now. I'm not a professional woodworker and I don't have workshop that packed with Festool and Felder goodness. I'm just homeowner that reserved everything made from wood to be done by myself in house I just bought. I'm skilful enough to get that done really good and enjoy the outcome of my work. So beware, this amateur sharing his opinion ;)

Why HK55 was a good choice for me?

  • I wanted to limit the amount of tools and also their cost - we all know that new houses are expensive  [wink]
  • I really appreciate quality of things and I'm able to pay for that extra to get better results, performance, etc. - HK 55 is worth it

I used HK55 as my only circular saw in following jobs

  • Kitchen - Majority of stuff I ordered as pieces cut to dimension and ready to assemble, but still there but were quite a lot of changes to original project. HK55 was used to cut melamine chipboard, oak veneered plywood, solid wood.
  • Three Wardrobes
  • Wood deck

What I really like

  • Speed - this is the thing I like the most in this saw. Whenever I had to do a quick cross cut, just used the FSK rail. Quick angle set and done - smaller pieces you can cut in the air, just holding the saw and piece you cut in your hand (not a safest option though). Need to trim the door, all you need is FS rail and done.
  • Precision - bevel angle setting is much better than in TS55 - one knob that locks angle on both ends of the saw. Mine was set up perfectly out of the box, but if you need to correct 0/90 degree point there are two screws that allow that. Also you can easily adjust the angle scale arrow/pointer.
  • Versatility - it's the saw that can do almost every kind of cut - rip cut, cross cut, plunge, you name it!. The big advantage for me was that with FSK rail I saved myself some money that I would spend for SCMS. Is SCMS redundant then when one have HK(C) 55 saw? NO Small pieces are hard to cut with FSK rail and also SCMS is more convenient to have.
  • Additional handle on bottom plate - this is super handy during beveled cuts

What I don't like

  • No 45 degree bevel stop - the saw goes up to 50 and that's good, but it would be awesome to have predefined 45 stop.
  • Dust collection could be better - I realize this is not a TS55 that is purposed to be used indoor with dust collector, but with little effort this could be done much better. I mean what is the point of leaving blade exposed that much. I'm thinking about designing 3D printed cover than can be attached to plastic part of blade cover.

Mythbusters

  • HK(C) 55 can't use TS55 blades - yes it can! - I've been using TS55 48 teeth blade for about 80% of time. There are few things to keep in mind though. Riving knife is 1.8mm so it won't do it's job with thicker kerf blades, but since 48 teeth blade is mostly used for crosscuts and sheet goods, it's not a big problem. Also on cordless version you're looking into shorter battery life.
  • HK(C) 55 can't plunge - yes it can! - it's just not as convenient as in TS55. It's two handed operation. You have to set the depth of cut, push the button to enable plunge mode. Then you lift the blade cover with your left thumb, while holding the handle on baseplate. Your right hand holds the saw, places it on rail and does the plunge motion.
  • HK(C) 55 is cheaper thus less precise than TS55 - no it's not! - I did side by side comparsion with TS55 on plywood and melamine with 48 teeth blade. The only thing that was different is that offcut piece's edge is not protected by splinter guard, thus is chipped/not as pristine.

Summary

HK(C) 55 is great saw, especially when combined with FSK and FS rails. Despite the fact I'm not professional woodworker, I really think that it could be one and only circular saw in the workshop. Especially if one want's to minimize amount of equipment or is just starting professional career/shop.

I still would like to buy TS55 and Kapex and have my HK55, to get the work done even faster and better. But HK55 is such good compromise, that I can't really justify cost of those.
 
I love mine. I use the same dust guard that I use on the TS-55, dust collection is a heap better. Only problem is one of the clamps needs a few seconds on a bench grinder to fit correctly. That one has me baffled.
 
Thank you for posting such a concise, well laid out 'report.' 
Surely will be helpful to anyone thinking about getting this saw. 

Off topic: 
See you have a PS420 - wondering how much you've used the jigsaw,
and, what your thoughts are about it? 

Richard (UK) 
 
Great review!!

I've been using a KSS-400 (Mafell's 160mm captured track saw) for several years now and I absolutely love it. At nearly $1000, the price tag is a bit steep for anybody other than pros, but the pricing on the HK55 should make it much more accessible to the broader woodworking market.

For flexibility, this class of saw is spectacularly adaptable. I've used my KSS-400 to trim out whole projects, negating the need for a miter saw for most applications. While this class of saw doesn't necessarily completely replace a plunge cutting saw or a miter saw, it does have a tremendous amount of overlap and should be a great addition to most carpenters core kit.

I'm excited to handle this saw in person, glad to hear you're enjoying yours!
 
Great information, thanks for taking the time to share your in-depth report.  [thumbs up]

I would completely agree that this is a great substitute for a miter saw. It basically is a miter saw turned upside and the miter saw rails are replaced with a track.
 
David Stanton said:
I love mine. I use the same dust guard that I use on the TS-55, dust collection is a heap better. Only problem is one of the clamps needs a few seconds on a bench grinder to fit correctly. That one has me baffled.
  Can you take a picture of that mod and issue for us?  Just wanting to clarify... [smile]
 
Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts with us [member=58310]endjur[/member]  !

Great write up!

Kind regards,
Oliver
 
Great write-up endjur, and welcome to the FOG!

The specifics of your nice equipment selection choices aside, I think it underscores a larger point, at least to my mind.  And that is, how important it is to put down on paper for yourself and perhaps for others the thought process whether for a business startup or for a sizable layout of the budget on tools, etc.  It helps crystalize the reasons and cuts through all the confusion that goes on inside the head when you're trying to decide back and forth.  Unless you have a mind like a steel trap, the written notes help avoid the overspending that one falls into when confronted with too many choices.  There's also something to be said in limiting yourself, at first anyway,  to do as much as possible with one tool--it makes you really get to know that equipment towards a higher intuitive level.  And I think in the end it makes you a better craftsman.
 
Great write up and thanks very much. I am just getting familiar with the HK55 (since it is new to the US). Is there a way to cut crown using the HK55--or is that something where I'd still need a miter saw?
 
David Stanton said:
I love mine. I use the same dust guard that I use on the TS-55, dust collection is a heap better. Only problem is one of the clamps needs a few seconds on a bench grinder to fit correctly. That one has me baffled.

Do you have a part number for that dust guard please? Like to look into modifying one as well.

Cheers.
 
BTW great write up! I have nearly same setup. HKC55, FSK 420 and FS1400. Together with my Dewalt tablesaw I have most things covered! I was amazed by how well the little beaut works in plunge mode on the 1400 rail!

My only minor complaint is turning the thing on feels a bit awkward when not perfectly behind and over the unit. Or maybe I have small baby hands or something. ;)

Cheers.
 
thylaxene said:
David Stanton said:
I love mine. I use the same dust guard that I use on the TS-55, dust collection is a heap better. Only problem is one of the clamps needs a few seconds on a bench grinder to fit correctly. That one has me baffled.

Do you have a part number for that dust guard please? Like to look into modifying one as well.

Cheers.
491750
 
Hello All,

I am also a new user of an HKC55 with the FSK420 rail. Yesterday afternoon I built some racking to allow me to store my power garden tools in the garden shed. All I used was the HKC and hand tools. I agree with all the sentiments above.

The only thing I would like to add is that I would also consider the FSK250 rail for joinery work. Having half a meter of aluminium track permanently attached to the saw takes a bit of getting used to swinging around.
 
endjur said:
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Why HK55 was a good choice for me?
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For a review that is not overly technical, this is very well done in the way it outlines the reasoning to go for those tools.

And it makes perfect sense that you choose those tools for the tasks at hand.
Well done Sir.
 
Grakat said:
Hello All,

I am also a new user of an HKC55 with the FSK420 rail. Yesterday afternoon I built some racking to allow me to store my power garden tools in the garden shed. All I used was the HKC and hand tools. I agree with all the sentiments above.

The only thing I would like to add is that I would also consider the FSK250 rail for joinery work. Having half a meter of aluminium track permanently attached to the saw takes a bit of getting used to swinging around.

I think the FSK250 is a must have if you have HKC55 as it is perfect for rails and such.. It should be a choice when you choose the set option, the FSK 250 and long FSK 670 might be the preferred setup for some users. I'll get the long one if and when it looks like I have a job working with materials in that length..
 
I think when I go for the HK85 I will see if I can get the FSK250 rail for use with the HKC55 and I will save the bigger rail for the larger saw. I think one other good benefit is the compatibility with the FS rails for the longer cuts.
 
I have the hkc 55 250mm rail and the 670mm rail

I have taken the stop off the 670mm rail and you can make longer cuts without the stop getting in the way.

I also you the hkc saw with a ts55 48tooth blade only for cutting melamine or mdf.
The 250 rail is perfect for cutting kitchen kicks to length etc

Cheers

Bryan
 
I agree on the HK55.  I actually just purchased the cordless version and my TS55 is getting jealous.  Sorry, TS55!  Nothing last forever!

Thanks for the review.  It was good reading.
 
We do real estate maintenance and gardening.

For me the same reason why I bought a HK55 with 2x FS1200 and a FSK250. Next spring I'll buy a second van and sometimes I'm considering to buy a Kapex, but we don't do carpentry work every day so I think I'll buy a second set of HK55 with guide rails.

We use it a lot with making things of garden wood like fences, deckings and summerhouses. In homes for some plywood and laminate.
Outdoors no problem but dust collection could be better. I'll try the dust guard of the TS55.
 
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