why is festools afraid of selling sys air m in the usa - Is it a bad product?
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1) UL certification, takes time (and money)rstastny said:
2) 110V versus 230V motor, so two SKUs needed (air filter is of not much use on a construction site, so UK 110V version is out mostly)
The "European" 230V version sells worldwide with just the plugs swapped.
The "US" one has to pay for itself just by the US market. Which may or may not work out. Check out "NAINA" across the forum ... a common theme with the more niche tools.
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It is fairly typical for the launch of a new product here in North America trails Europe and the remainder of the world by months or even longer. [member=61254]mino[/member] mentioned several reasons. Also, typically Festool here doesn't use the M & L filtering designations here.
I wouldn't be surprised also if the marketing people at Festool also watch the release popularity of a new product elsewhere in order to gauge popularity so as to determine initial production numbers for the NA market whereas different production lines may be necessary.
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I wouldn't be surprised also if the marketing people at Festool also watch the release popularity of a new product elsewhere in order to gauge popularity so as to determine initial production numbers for the NA market whereas different production lines may be necessary.
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It often takes time, sometimes over a year, some things never do make it here.
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Why do people seem so willing to author/forward these conspiracy theories? It must be a sign of the times.
This very recent product was designed in Germany, it needed to pass very stringent regulations throughout the EU, which it did. Festool probably has not had the time or resources to complete the same stringent requirements to allow the sale of this tool in the US. Just give it sometime.
This very recent product was designed in Germany, it needed to pass very stringent regulations throughout the EU, which it did. Festool probably has not had the time or resources to complete the same stringent requirements to allow the sale of this tool in the US. Just give it sometime.
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Now when I read the world afraid in connection with Festool I instantly think of the YouTubers that I USED to watch whose every other video used the clickbait words of SCARED or AFRAID.
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Peter Halle said:
Or "You won't believe what happened next.....!"
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luvmytoolz said:
Or title their video as a question. I'm at the point where I only watch videos which plainly state the conclusion or topic in the title.
As or the Sys Air, this is essentially a brand new product, if Festool thinks they'll sell enough units in North America to justify making a custom version I wouldn't expect to see it until Q3 or Q4 2025.....
It could also be that there are a lot of competing products available in North America. I got this a while back:
DeWALT DWXAF101 Air Filtration System
BTW, I found this review:
ToolGuyd > New Tools > Festool has a New Air Purifier
Festool has a New Air Purifier
They point out that the lack of a remote control might be an issue. Perhaps Festool is waiting for a product update.
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DeWALT DWXAF101 Air Filtration System
BTW, I found this review:
ToolGuyd > New Tools > Festool has a New Air Purifier
Festool has a New Air Purifier
They point out that the lack of a remote control might be an issue. Perhaps Festool is waiting for a product update.
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^^^ This. What a stupid oversight. They even sell a platform for suspending it from the ceiling... and??? you are supposed to climb a step ladder to turn it on?.. asides from that and the fixed cable, it works well. (I will address these two issues when I get time)
I appreciate there are competing products, like with the dust separator. But being able to put it on your stack of Systainers for going into a jobsite does give added value.
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its not an oversight. if you read the toold link they have a QA section
i also don't think this is a shop tool to hang, their competition is hilti (AIC 1000 Air cleaner) and the like; not the wen/jet/etc
i also don't think this is a shop tool to hang, their competition is hilti (AIC 1000 Air cleaner) and the like; not the wen/jet/etc
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If hanging from the ceiling, is there a remote or do you plug in each time you want to use it?
As with all projects, we always develop our products together with our end customers. In surveys and practical tests, a remote control did not play a major role for our customers, which is why we decided not to develop one.
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So one of the cheap bluetooth adaptors would work well if a switched receptacle wasn't available.
While I wouldn't recommend buying this to use exclusively as a ceiling mount, I think for someone working on their own with a smaller setup, having a unit that does both workshop and jobsite it's a winner.
Ideally though, removable power lead so you have a lead in place for ceiling use, and a spare for jobsite use. Remote for ceiling use, not just for on/off but for speed change too.
I'd rather have the remote than the outlet socket on the back...
There is enough room under the lid to cut the cable short, put on a socket, bluetooth remote socket, and a female on the end of the lead. This is the easiest and quickest solution. Of course the remote will also turn off whatever is plugged into the outlet socket too. Not difficult to work around this, but probably not worth the effort.
Ideally though, removable power lead so you have a lead in place for ceiling use, and a spare for jobsite use. Remote for ceiling use, not just for on/off but for speed change too.
I'd rather have the remote than the outlet socket on the back...
There is enough room under the lid to cut the cable short, put on a socket, bluetooth remote socket, and a female on the end of the lead. This is the easiest and quickest solution. Of course the remote will also turn off whatever is plugged into the outlet socket too. Not difficult to work around this, but probably not worth the effort.
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Using the Sys Air as a permanent or ceiling-mount device doesn't make sense to me. If you're going for a stationary solution, there are dozens and dozens of options for existing units which come with a remote, have better performance, etc....
To my way of thinking, the use case for the Sys Air is for portable applications where something like a Dri-Eaz HEPA 700 is overkill, but you still want some kind of filtration.https://www.legendbrands.com/products/hepa-700-air-scrubber/
I have the older version, the HEPA 500. It's an awesome air scrubber and I use it extensively, but I would happily substitute a Sys Air unit for smaller working spaces.
Festool, if you're reading this:
-- Please don't include a remote control
-- Please don't include a removable cord
-- Please do just make a small, portable air scrubber that is optimized for professional, on-site use, and nothing else
To my way of thinking, the use case for the Sys Air is for portable applications where something like a Dri-Eaz HEPA 700 is overkill, but you still want some kind of filtration.https://www.legendbrands.com/products/hepa-700-air-scrubber/
I have the older version, the HEPA 500. It's an awesome air scrubber and I use it extensively, but I would happily substitute a Sys Air unit for smaller working spaces.
Festool, if you're reading this:
-- Please don't include a remote control
-- Please don't include a removable cord
-- Please do just make a small, portable air scrubber that is optimized for professional, on-site use, and nothing else
