I've bought a fair amount of stuff from them and Aliexpress and this is the only time I've been let down. I bought a (Microjig) Grrriper equivalent for $40 AUD compared to $130 AUD which is just as good as the original which I also own and the (Festool) MFT in line clamps equivalent for $35AUD compared to $200 AUD and they are just as good and used every day. The youtube channel "Hooked on wood" and his websitehttps://www.hookedonwood.online/ describes and rates many of these tools so I'm not completely against buying from them other than sometimes feeling guilty that I've bought a blatant "knock off".hdv said:
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Australia is in a slightly different position to other major markets, nearly everything we buy is imported so buying from the cheapest source is the sensible thing to do as long as the quality is reasonable. From the outside looking in it seems the US buyers are not used to looking overseas but it is the first thing I do if looking for tools.
Just received my refund acknowledgement from Amazon for this absolutely BS product [mad]. I'm amazed they don't take any responsibility for advertising a product that I'm pretty sure doesn't exist. I'm very glad I didn't buy it directly through this scamming reseller. Lesson learnt!
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I've been using my Woodpeckers Drill Guide a lot lately with the CXS mounted on it for drilling multiple 1/8" & 3/16" holes. I'm very happy with it for vertical use, however for horizontal use, when you take gravity out of the equation, the small drill and stiff return spring combination can be a challenge. In some instances, I've removed the spring completely and that really helped the ease of operation and enhanced smoothness.
It'd just be nice if Woodpeckers offered a couple of spring options. For my intended uses I doubt I'll ever mount anything on it that's larger than the CXS.
It'd just be nice if Woodpeckers offered a couple of spring options. For my intended uses I doubt I'll ever mount anything on it that's larger than the CXS.
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[member=44099]Cheese[/member] , are you saying they should include a couple different springs or they should have an option when ordering to get a light or heavy spring or springs rated for range like 2 to 3 pounds, then 3 to 4.5, and 4.5 to 6. I don't know if those are valid numbers just throwing them out as an example.
You can probably find springs easy enough on your own but I get where you're coming from.
I was thinking the same thing Monday when using my DeWalt cordless router in the plunge base. The spring has so much resistance it makes it difficult to make a smooth plunge and I was wishing for a lighter spring or adjustable spring tension.
You can probably find springs easy enough on your own but I get where you're coming from.
I was thinking the same thing Monday when using my DeWalt cordless router in the plunge base. The spring has so much resistance it makes it difficult to make a smooth plunge and I was wishing for a lighter spring or adjustable spring tension.
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Bob D. said:
Hey [member=60461]Bob D.[/member] you’ve got it right, just offer a couple as options or choose the one you need when you order. I may look at McMaster Carr to see what they have. Ive been thinking about putting in an order there anyway.
I have a lot of woodpecker tools. A lot! I decided to try one of the counterfeit miter rulers for a fraction of the price. You would not believe what I got. I should have taken pictures before throwing it out. I twisted the ruler into a pretzel with one hand. They didn’t even try to copy the original. They stole the images from woodpeckers and spent one dollar on manufacturing. It had to have been 1/32 inch thick. Maybe. And, of course, no response to my complaint. Or from Instagram for allowing their ads.
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Mini Me said:
I mean, honestly, it sounds like he knew going into it that it was a knock-off of the original, and as this thread has shown, the list of "where not to buy genuine Woodpecker's products" is pretty long. These companies are like a hydra: you report/cancel one, and three more pop up to take its place.
The last post is 100% correct. I did know it would be fake. Why I was hoping was to see how closely they ripped WP off. They didn’t even try. And he’s also right that the site was gone as quickly as it had come. Woodpeckers had even posted a warning on their site, but I thought it was just a … hey, don’t buy knock offs because we deserve the cash… but it was worse. To my knowledge you can only buy their stuff directly or through woodcraft. Any other site is fake.
My a feeling is that if WP invested a ton of effort into a new tool and another company just copied it, cashing in on the design and fine tuning… anyway, if you’re correct in that there is no legal protection, that’s a misunderstanding on my part. I always assumed there was some protection. In the end, I’d always reward the original innovator over a free loader, unless the original somehow earns my scorn.
Patented or not, most smaller to medium-sized inventors and manufacturers in this part of the world do not have the resources to go after those who produce the knock-offs. Not only are they mostly located over 10,000 km away, but also their legal systems are minefields to outsiders.
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ChuckS said:
Too bad it's not easier to prove your product has been copied and for the import of counterfeit goods to be halted at the port of entry. I guess that doesn't stop the direct mail loophole which is probably how a lot of that stuff gets through.
As I see it, if the online platforms (Amazon, eBay, online vendors known for selling those kinds of look-alike products, social media sellers, etc.) don't do enough to stop such ads and sales, the postal services and customs are ill-prepared to deal with the counterfeit or patent violation issues.
For non-patented inventions, there aren't any legal or moral grounds for potential buyers not to buy the copies at all, especially when the copies are not only much much cheaper (say, 50% to 80% less), but are also as good as or almost as good as the original products.
Patented goods, with their limitations as I mentioned earlier, at least will convince the morally conscious or semi-morally conscious folks to stay away from the crooks.
For non-patented inventions, there aren't any legal or moral grounds for potential buyers not to buy the copies at all, especially when the copies are not only much much cheaper (say, 50% to 80% less), but are also as good as or almost as good as the original products.
Patented goods, with their limitations as I mentioned earlier, at least will convince the morally conscious or semi-morally conscious folks to stay away from the crooks.
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They can afford to sell for much less because they have no R&D costs to recover. They stole the design and are selling at a huge profit even at their reduced price point. Also, they avoid taxes and safety and environmental regulations which keeps their production cost down.
...plus someone has already done all the marketing and promotion (videos, social media platform exposure, etc.) for them. Judging from how quickly some of the "pirated" products can come to the market, I'm pretty sure there're folks from that part of the world monitoring new product releases in North America on a regular basis.
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