Woodpeckers new MFT Square

Very cool design but I don't see myself buying it. I've bought a number of Woodpeck one time tools and am used to the prices. As others have mentioned the tool seems to have less functionality than the squares.
Seems like Woodpeck cheaped out on this one figuring they could easily get MFT guys to buy it no matter what.
Wood peck you listening?
- really should have ruler markings on each leg, can't cost that much to add, would add a lot more functionality, inches on one leg, mm on the other leg, that would be cool
- should have at least a few proper holes in the SS portion so you could stick Qwas dogs in to attach to mft; that would be really helpful
- maybe a pencil indent at measured points so you could pivot the unit around to make a circle, that would be a slick move, probably not useful to too many though
- not getting what the holes along the outer edge are for, am I supposed to use those for nothing, decoration? if they were marked and spaced at particular intervals well then ...
- love the tools but $270 really is a bit too steep, especially considering the way too limited usefulness, why exactly would I buy this instead of one of the squares?
Step it up woodpecker and maybe you'll get some sales on this one
 
I agree with the above comments about Woodpecker going the way of the Dodo. I love my Woodpecker tools but all the "One Time" tools with the price tag only the King of UAE could afford is starting to wear thin. Don't get me wrong, I will pay for a tool I feel will make me a better craftsman but enough already!
 
Out of all the comments I think that holes for inserting dogs would be the most significant improvement. That would allow you to be sure you're guide rail and fence are square every time.
 
grbmds said:
Out of all the comments I think that holes for inserting dogs would be the most significant improvement. That would allow you to be sure you're guide rail and fence are square every time.
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I just made a similar suggestion on the video itself.  But there's really no point in having your fence square to your rail - and totally ignore the dog hole system, which is really what makes the MFT what it is.  Woodpecker missed the point in a huge way on this one.

I chalk this up to another "Hey this is for festool owners, theyre suckers and will pay anything, lets price accordingly".  Even so I expect more attention to detail out of a woodpecker tool.
 
It really is not that different from the 18" carpenters square which is what I use.
 
hhhhhhmmmmmmm.....Bridge city tool syndrome. [eek] eventually they will produce a book and catalog of all the stuff they made that you can not buy no matter how many people want it.  the book will be called "Stuff you want that we will not make".
 
If this square were absolutely necessary, i.e. the only or even best way to square the fence/guide rail, I would not balk at the price. To me it just seems a marginal improvement, if any, over a more general purpose square, like the 26" carpenters square.

RMW
 
I agree that this tool missed the mark.  I have both the triangle and carpenters square from Woodpecker, but this seems like a less useful tool for way more money.  Just comparing it to the others, it seems $100 too expensive.  If it did the job it does, plus provided a square functionality that the Festool angle unit should, I might be interested.  Hey, if you're going to make a Festool specific tool, make it more than a basic square.  Make it a Festool specific tool that attaches into the festool rail.
In all honesty, a tool like that I'd prefer to be made out of some sort of plastic.  A giant version of the Rockler Clamp-It square would do the job well.  It would be light, easier to deal with, likely more durable and cheaper.
I live in fear of dinging up/bending my Al woodpeck squares.  I keep them hidden away in the closet in my shop and don't get them out very often for that reason.  I would prefer something less expensive, less exclusive, and more durable.  In other words, something I could replace if necessary.  I would find it difficult to spend nearly $200 again, plus have to wait until they decided to do a run, if I damaged either of the squares I have.
 
Is it just me or are these "One Time Tools" getting more and more outrageous?? [eek]

Certainly not need an overpriced lump like that to square my MFT ... I'm doing just fine thanks. [wink]

 
This isn't a tool for me, but I do think that this does illustrate some merits of the business model.  Other than the design and prototyping costs if this product doesn't take off then the manufacturer isn't hurt too badly.  It does allow for creativity at lower financial risk.  But as already has been said by so many others the expenses are likely to be allocated over a much smaller number of units produced (making the end product more costly) and by only being available for a short time can lead to collecting versus using or dissatisfaction when the products are no longer available. 

The good with the bad.  How the scale tips is obviously different for everyone.

Peter
 
I have no issues with the One Time-ish tools model (as they enter the 3rd round of 26" squares I think "One Time Tool" is becoming a misnomer) nor even the price. It's a free world and we can all choose to participate or not.

I also tend to agree with Peter, the business model allow them to do some things that would not make sense for continuous production and the prices support the R&D and other associated costs.

There are several OTT that I have been happy to take advantage of, currently waiting for my precision speed square and t-square marking guide thingies, all in metric. There are definitely some metric tools that would not otherwise be available without this business model, and those are the ones I tend to value most.

RMW
 
I've bought a lot of the Woodpecker tools. Some I use a lot. Some not so much.

I square my MFT rail using Qwas dogs and the Woopecker carpenter square. I use the same carpenter square to set up my Sawstop fence.

Think I will pass on this tool.
 
Is their next one time tool gonna be a square with the sole purpose of squaring up their other squares?
 
It would be cheaper to have a piece of mdf cnc'd to use as a square. My kitchen cabinet buddy has made me a couple of different size mft tops just scale it down and make it into oversize speed square
 
Richard/RMW said:
If this square were absolutely necessary, i.e. the only or even best way to square the fence/guide rail, I would not balk at the price. To me it just seems a marginal improvement, if any, over a more general purpose square, like the 26" carpenters square.

RMW
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The nice thing about the 26" Carpenters Square is that it works very well when combined with a short rail for cross cutting panels too wide for the MFT.  It is heavy enough and has the lip which makes using the rail for a crosscut quite accurate.
 
whitesys said:
Richard/RMW said:
If this square were absolutely necessary, i.e. the only or even best way to square the fence/guide rail, I would not balk at the price. To me it just seems a marginal improvement, if any, over a more general purpose square, like the 26" carpenters square.

RMW
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The nice thing about the 26" Carpenters Square is that it works very well when combined with a short rail for cross cutting panels too wide for the MFT.  It is heavy enough and has the lip which makes using the rail for a crosscut quite accurate.
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That is probably the most common use I make of my square. I even (gasp) drilled and tapped holes in it so the guide clips from my Rip Dogs can be used to secure the rail to the square.

RMW
 
I agree, just received a email from WP advertising it. They have (at least me) done that before
 
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