Woodpecker's Parallel Guide System One Time Tool

tjbnwi said:
Nat X said:
JimD said:
I don't know about the round bar of the Woodpecker but the basic parallel guides will work on thin material but may require you put something under the plywood to lift it up.  The Festool may be the worst since it is about 3/4 thick so anything less needs to be lifted.  It doesn't sit on top of the piece to be cut so if the wood is thinner the guide rail won't sit on it.

Yup; done it many times. Extremely hazardous practice with HDPE. It is the only time I've ever had my TS kickback on me.

HDPE (thickness of the material you're working with) spacer the width of the rail, index the stops off the spacer. If the spacer is inset from the anti-splinter strip 1/8" you get a 1/8" wide strip off the piece that was pushed against the spacer.

Tom

My question is how much space the rods require under the track as shimming the sandwich up when using the Festool parallel guides only makes it more difficult to clamp the slippery plastic safely and reliably. I don't generally have too much difficulty with measuring the width I need to cut.
 
Heres the deal. Festool needs to make a set of adjutable guides that work on the material ,not beside it ,and work on common thicknesses.    Any company that makes tools this good has the know how to figure this out. Look at the design of Kreg's rip guides....something like 2 of those connected two a track would be fine...just need the movement on the butt end.  I'm currently makeing a pair out of 2  18 inch johnson combination squares,toilet bolts and 1/4 x 20 wing nuts,
I feel like I'm using bailing wire to work on a Ferrari.  Does anyone else out there follow my drift? i don't mind paying the  price .....or i wouldn't have Festools....but we really shouldn't be able to even improve on something that is as basic as this ....Festool should have it dialed.
 
While I was thinking about getting this, a thought occured to me and I sent the following email to Woodpecker:

Hello,

I do like your products, having bought a number of them.

I have a question about one time tools. Lets say that one of the arms or parts gets accidentally damaged are we out of luck buying a replacement? I ask because recently a "jerk" friend of mine was working outdoors using one of your tools and nearly ran over it with his truck.

I realize it is a remote possibility but it is a concern.

Cheers,


The reply is an encouraging one:

Hi Peter,

We generally do have (and try to keep) additional parts for all of our One Time Tools. Their availability is to be used only for any warranties/replacements that may occur. We have been able to take care of most instances that have been brought to our attention in one way or another. Hope this helps. Thank you.

---
Mike J.
Woodpeckers, Inc.


Good news all around I would say.

Cheers,  Peter
 
Thanks. My comment was early on in the offering but I see they have added Metric versions too. Still on the fence on this one.....  :-\
 
After much debate I put my order in. In September I'll post pictures and thoughts...
 
Grrrr.... [mad]

Having completed my acquisition of all the Festool products I've craved until something new shows up, I am now relegated to the "other" stuff to feed my purchasing addiction....so YES, I have ordered the Imperial Parallel Guides...AND the Metric additional bars. (Available as a $69.00 addition).  And realizing I have serious OCD...I've ordered the new dang OTT Compass set as well.  [crying]

Now I have a few months to determine what the heck I'll use them for! [blink]

[member=6555]Shane[/member]  Please stop advertising the OTT's!  You're like the Borg...my "resistance is futile"! [tongue]

Cheers,
Frank
 
SittingElf said:
[member=6555]Shane[/member]  Please stop advertising the OTT's!  You're like the Borg...my "resistance is futile"! [tongue]

Ha! I'm just an enabler.  [big grin] [tongue]
 
Placed my order earlier today. Tried looking at Toolnut, but all they had for the OTT stuff was the compass. So ordered from WP themself, expensive shipping charges and all. Now the wait begins.
 
I did note that Richard took the feedback form a previous FOG thread and restated their delivery estimate:

"Delivery is estimated to be in September, 2015. However because the actual number to be manufactured won't be known until the sale ends, the actual ship date may vary."

Gotta give them points for that.

RMW
 
Richard/RMW said:
I did note that Richard took the feedback form a previous FOG thread and restated their delivery estimate:

"Delivery is estimated to be in September, 2015. However because the actual number to be manufactured won't be known until the sale ends, the actual ship date may vary."

Gotta give them points for that.

RMW

I think the wording could be revised a bit.

Today's orders will be delivered in Sep.

My take on this: Additional orders should not affect the number of orders placed today and earlier and therefore should not affect shipment dates of the orders they already know about.
 
hilld said:
Richard/RMW said:
I did note that Richard took the feedback form a previous FOG thread and restated their delivery estimate:

"Delivery is estimated to be in September, 2015. However because the actual number to be manufactured won't be known until the sale ends, the actual ship date may vary."

Gotta give them points for that.

RMW

I think the wording could be revised a bit.

Today's orders will be delivered in Sep.

My take on this: Additional orders should not affect the number of orders placed today and earlier and therefore should not affect shipment dates of the orders they already know about.

Respectfully I have to disagree, most likely they run each component in batches so they can't ship any finished products until all the components are completed. Often setup is a major cost factor, I don't think they run the first ### thru to completion then move on to the next ###. They make all the brackets in one batch, then all the widgets, and so on, then package everything up at the end.

RMW
 
Richard/RMW said:
Respectfully I have to disagree, most likely they run each component in batches so they can't ship any finished products until all the components are completed. Often setup is a major cost factor, I don't think they run the first ### thru to completion then move on to the next ###. They make all the brackets in one batch, then all the widgets, and so on, then package everything up at the end.

RMW

I agree that this makes sense.  However, some of the squares have already been received by some people and the email I got stated that the squares should finish shipping by the end of July.  So if they did manufacture all the orders together in steps then why a 2 month window for delivery.

I wanted to order the parallel guide but decided not to for a couple of reasons.  I hope they turn out to be great and then maybe I'll get it the second time around.
 
Greg M said:
Richard/RMW said:
Respectfully I have to disagree, most likely they run each component in batches so they can't ship any finished products until all the components are completed. Often setup is a major cost factor, I don't think they run the first ### thru to completion then move on to the next ###. They make all the brackets in one batch, then all the widgets, and so on, then package everything up at the end.

RMW

I agree that this makes sense.  However, some of the squares have already been received by some people and the email I got stated that the squares should finish shipping by the end of July.  So if they did manufacture all the orders together in steps then why a 2 month window for delivery.

I wanted to order the parallel guide but decided not to for a couple of reasons.  I hope they turn out to be great and then maybe I'll get it the second time around.

A few considerations:

Many/most manufacturing facilities would prefer to minimize set ups, as it is costly and negatively affects delivery when you have to set up the same machine(s) multiple times.

However, there are always other influencing factors, capacity, availability of raw material (often a key factor), cost/cash flow, or even other order commitments that may require some of the same machinery, any of which could interrupt the manufacturing and delivery schedule.

We can second guess all we want, however, I'm pretty certain Woodpecker would like to minimize the delivery time because the longer that timeframe is, the longer their money is tied up with all of the associated costs.  All or most manufacturers are always looking at ways to reduce the delivery time and manufacturing cost, strive to minimize the time it takes for inventory to roll over (typically 4 or 5 months roll over at most) and maintain a constant manufacturing schedule. 

Last point, we get caught up with the timeframe for delivery of the OTTs, bear in mind Woodpecker do maintain an inventory of items that do sell more frequently (some of the standard squares, stops, rulers, etc....).  Somewhere in that mix, they have to ensure those items that are constantly manufactured continue that process and to meet their many vendors requests for that commonly stocked items.

Just my view, no association, yada yada yada.

Gary
 
I'll reiterate something I posted on another OTT thread, basically I look at it like Christmas. I order the tools & then forget about them. Every now and then I get a shipping notice and it's like Christmas eve again, & I start wondering what the heck is going to show up under the tree. It's fun.

RMW
 
Richard, I feel the same way. The way I look at it, is that they produce tools that make my life easier and my projects potentially more accurate. Now that being said, I am capable of building projects while I'm waiting for my latest one time tool the old way and when it finally arrives (Christmas) I'm just tickled pink about it.
 
Richard/RMW said:
I'll reiterate something I posted on another OTT thread, basically I look at it like Christmas. I order the tools & then forget about them. Every now and then I get a shipping notice and it's like Christmas eve again, & I start wondering what the heck is going to show up under the tree. It's fun.

RMW

[big grin]Yup!
 
Richard/RMW said:
I did note that Richard took the feedback form a previous FOG thread and restated their delivery estimate:

"Delivery is estimated to be in September, 2015. However because the actual number to be manufactured won't be known until the sale ends, the actual ship date may vary."

Gotta give them points for that.

RMW

[popcorn]
 
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