Woodpeckers Precision Framing Squares

My 2 cents.

In the interest of full disclosure, I don't like the name "Framing Square" for our 26" precision square either. Just didn't know what else to call it, not that other names weren't considered. No other good choice jumped out.

As for the Chappell Squares, I have two of them and think they're awesome...for their intended purpose.

We don't typically make comment about tools we're working on however in this case, it's appropriate. If what you're after is a good square for cabinetry, the currently available PSQ (26", 18", 660mm etc...) is the way to go. If you want a square for setting up your MFT, wait until 1/27. We engineered one very specific to that intended purpose. It isn't good for any traditional woodworking square application and won't suffice for building cabinetry or furniture but will perform exceptionally well for aligning your MFT and miter gauges. Plus it looks really cool.

As for the use of a thick blade tool for measuring, not my first choice either. But at least the marks are there if you need them. Thick blades are often more effective for physically referencing edges while thinner tools are better for measuring.

As for scale accuracy, we're not perfect but take pain staking steps to ensure the best possible graduation precision. We have a significant investment in equipment dedicated to engraving scales. But at the end of the day, if the operator isn't careful about how the parts loaded, the scale can be off. Our rule of thumb is no cumulative error greater than .010" by the time you get to the end of the scale, even our 49" rules. I've purchased a pile of very expensive rules and can assure you not one is perfect. The best one I have has an error of +.007"/-.003" and that ultra-precision 24" scale cost $100 and is way to delicate to be in a shop.

Beveling a square? We get that request often however it would render the tool functional from only one side.

Pencil scribe holes in the blade? Thinking about it. Would require lots of real estate because a duplicate set would have to be machined from each face because of blade thickness.

Sorry for the lengthy response, tried to answer most of the comments.

I hope the info helps. I don't check in on the FOG regularly but certainly will if anyone sends me an email. Thanks for reading.

Rich from Woodpeckers
 
There has to be an accurate square out there for less than $220 (26" with case). Any suggestions?
 
Sparktrician said:
Paul G said:
About the only thing I'd change is adding a routed out hand hold to the top of the case, the t piece unit is pretty heavy.

The good news is that you can rout your own with your OF 1400 and the MFS... 

[poke]    [poke]

You're right except I have neither. But my Porter Cable is up to the task if I get around to it. I may just go hokie and screw a sturdy cabinet pull to the top edge to save time.
 
rmh said:
My 2 cents.

We don't typically make comment about tools we're working on however in this case, it's appropriate. If what you're after is a good square for cabinetry, the currently available PSQ (26", 18", 660mm etc...) is the way to go. If you want a square for setting up your MFT, wait until 1/27. We engineered one very specific to that intended purpose. It isn't good for any traditional woodworking square application and won't suffice for building cabinetry or furniture but will perform exceptionally well for aligning your MFT and miter gauges. Plus it looks really cool.

Thank you for this info.

I assume that the pre-order period for the alignment and set-up of tooling and the PSQ will be open for both products at the same time?

I do like the PSQ and I am glad you are making it, but I don't really measure with squares.  I square with squares and measure with either a tape measure, a rule, or a combination square, a dial caliper, and very rarely with trammel points. 

I would rather spend my money on various sizes of well made large, medium, and small sized squares than on fewer well made squares with measuring engraving.
 
Hurricane Whisperer said:
rmh said:
My 2 cents.

We don't typically make comment about tools we're working on however in this case, it's appropriate. If what you're after is a good square for cabinetry, the currently available PSQ (26", 18", 660mm etc...) is the way to go. If you want a square for setting up your MFT, wait until 1/27. We engineered one very specific to that intended purpose. It isn't good for any traditional woodworking square application and won't suffice for building cabinetry or furniture but will perform exceptionally well for aligning your MFT and miter gauges. Plus it looks really cool.

Thank you for this info.

I assume that the pre-order period for the alignment and set-up of tooling and the PSQ will be open for both products at the same time?

I do like the PSQ and I am glad you are making it, but I don't really measure with squares.  I square with squares and measure with either a tape measure, a rule, or a combination square, a dial caliper, and very rarely with trammel points. 

I would rather spend my money on various sizes of well made large, medium, and small sized squares than on fewer well made squares with measuring engraving.

Unfortunately the two order windows will not overlap, long story but it's a software thing. One important thing to note, the MFT setup tool we're releasing on 1/27 will be more expensive than the current 26" square so keep that in mind. It also is no big deal on our end if you order the current PSQ and then decide to cancel that order later if you'd prefer the MFT setup tool. Sorry it's so confusing.
 
rmh said:
Hurricane Whisperer said:
rmh said:
My 2 cents.

We don't typically make comment about tools we're working on however in this case, it's appropriate. If what you're after is a good square for cabinetry, the currently available PSQ (26", 18", 660mm etc...) is the way to go. If you want a square for setting up your MFT, wait until 1/27. We engineered one very specific to that intended purpose. It isn't good for any traditional woodworking square application and won't suffice for building cabinetry or furniture but will perform exceptionally well for aligning your MFT and miter gauges. Plus it looks really cool.

Thank you for this info.

I assume that the pre-order period for the alignment and set-up of tooling and the PSQ will be open for both products at the same time?

I do like the PSQ and I am glad you are making it, but I don't really measure with squares.  I square with squares and measure with either a tape measure, a rule, or a combination square, a dial caliper, and very rarely with trammel points. 

I would rather spend my money on various sizes of well made large, medium, and small sized squares than on fewer well made squares with measuring engraving.

Unfortunately the two order windows will not overlap, long story but it's a software thing. One important thing to note, the MFT setup tool we're releasing on 1/27 will be more expensive than the current 26" square so keep that in mind. It also is no big deal on our end if you order the current PSQ and then decide to cancel that order later if you'd prefer the MFT setup tool. Sorry it's so confusing.

Thank you for all the info Rich. Order placed.
 
toykiter said:
rmh said:
Hurricane Whisperer said:
rmh said:
My 2 cents.

We don't typically make comment about tools we're working on however in this case, it's appropriate. If what you're after is a good square for cabinetry, the currently available PSQ (26", 18", 660mm etc...) is the way to go. If you want a square for setting up your MFT, wait until 1/27. We engineered one very specific to that intended purpose. It isn't good for any traditional woodworking square application and won't suffice for building cabinetry or furniture but will perform exceptionally well for aligning your MFT and miter gauges. Plus it looks really cool.

Thank you for this info.

I assume that the pre-order period for the alignment and set-up of tooling and the PSQ will be open for both products at the same time?

I do like the PSQ and I am glad you are making it, but I don't really measure with squares.  I square with squares and measure with either a tape measure, a rule, or a combination square, a dial caliper, and very rarely with trammel points. 

I would rather spend my money on various sizes of well made large, medium, and small sized squares than on fewer well made squares with measuring engraving.

Unfortunately the two order windows will not overlap, long story but it's a software thing. One important thing to note, the MFT setup tool we're releasing on 1/27 will be more expensive than the current 26" square so keep that in mind. It also is no big deal on our end if you order the current PSQ and then decide to cancel that order later if you'd prefer the MFT setup tool. Sorry it's so confusing.

Thank you for all the info Rich. Order placed.

Please feel free to email me at richardhummel@woodpeck.com
 
Glad to see the square is back; I just placed an oder for one.  I hope to see the large triangle offered some day as well.
 
I will be ordering a set of these squares, or perhaps I each of the large in metric and imperial....don't know yet.  I can see the benefits of using the metric system, and use it for building cabinets with the LR-32 system, works great.  I haven't totally converted to the metric system though, as I have too many tools and other devices all based on the imperial system.....  Decisions, decisions......

My thanks to Woodpecker for running these one time tools again, I figured it was only a matter of time before another run as these seem to be one of the most sought-after measuring devices Woodpecker has previously manufactured.
 
I put my order in, too. I had dutifully filled out the request form at woodpeck.com, so it's nice to see these come out again. I'll look at the MFT setup tool after 1/27, but I suspect I'll just go with the squares I've ordered. I've been using my 1281 square to set up the MFT, but it's a bit small for this application. Of course, all bets may be off once I lay eyes on that next tool.

I could make the metric/imperial decision (metric for me), but couldn't decide between the 450 and 670 mm....so I had to order the set. I suppose soon I'll have to order the smaller squares, too (641 and/or 851), for those little projects. I may never be able to afford another Festool  [sad]
 
rmh said:
We don't typically make comment about tools we're working on however in this case, it's appropriate. If what you're after is a good square for cabinetry, the currently available PSQ (26", 18", 660mm etc...) is the way to go. If you want a square for setting up your MFT, wait until 1/27. We engineered one very specific to that intended purpose. It isn't good for any traditional woodworking square application and won't suffice for building cabinetry or furniture but will perform exceptionally well for aligning your MFT and miter gauges. Plus it looks really cool.

Would you consider extending the deadline a day or so for the framing squares so folks can decide between the framing square and the MFT square?

This is probably why you don't like comment on tools you're working on!!

I'm new and am looking to make some strategic purchases and figure one of these would be a good buy.

For someone just starting out, what are the essential Woodpecker items to get for cabinet making using Festools?

Thank you!
 
typeshige said:
rmh said:
We don't typically make comment about tools we're working on however in this case, it's appropriate. If what you're after is a good square for cabinetry, the currently available PSQ (26", 18", 660mm etc...) is the way to go. If you want a square for setting up your MFT, wait until 1/27. We engineered one very specific to that intended purpose. It isn't good for any traditional woodworking square application and won't suffice for building cabinetry or furniture but will perform exceptionally well for aligning your MFT and miter gauges. Plus it looks really cool.

Would you consider extending the deadline a day or so for the framing squares so folks can decide between the framing square and the MFT square?

This is probably why you don't like comment on tools you're working on!!

I'm new and am looking to make some strategic purchases and figure one of these would be a good buy.

For someone just starting out, what are the essential Woodpecker items to get for cabinet making using Festools?

Thank you!
For cabinet making get the set 18 and 26 is money. Than add a 26'' t marking square and U should be set. I also use small 6 inch incra for marking parallel lines. I found that small square set is super handy setting up my saw, jointer etc.
 
After months of searching for one of these, I finally was able to order the large 26" one without the MDF case from Carbide Processors for a total of $170.99 with free shipping.
 
typeshige said:
Would you consider extending the deadline a day or so for the framing squares so folks can decide between the framing square and the MFT square?

Thank you!

The suggestion from Richard Hummel, from Woodpecker, said to order the framming square and after you see the MFT squaring device on 1/27 you can always cancel your framing square.
 
I decided on the 18" one.  I think that will suit my needs (wants) for now.  Couldn't justify buying both because I would like to buy some other stuff.
 
Neal W said:
I decided on the 18" one.  I think that will suit my needs (wants) for now.  Couldn't justify buying both because I would like to buy some other stuff.

I had similar logic, but went with the 26" square to complement the 18" triange I already have.
 
Stoli said:
Neal W said:
I decided on the 18" one.  I think that will suit my needs (wants) for now.  Couldn't justify buying both because I would like to buy some other stuff.

I had similar logic, but went with the 26" square to complement the 18" triange I already have.

Stoli,

I already have the 18" triangle, too.    I am tempted to order the big square, but I'm having a hard time justifying it when I already have the big triangle.  How do you see yourself using the 26" square?  Also, there is the new Woodpecker MFT squaring device coming later this month.

Want make sure that I'm not missing something before I pass on the 26" square.
 
RLJ-Atl said:
Stoli said:
Neal W said:
I decided on the 18" one.  I think that will suit my needs (wants) for now.  Couldn't justify buying both because I would like to buy some other stuff.

I had similar logic, but went with the 26" square to complement the 18" triange I already have.

Stoli,

I already have the 18" triangle, too.    I am tempted to order the big square, but I'm having a hard time justifying it when I already have the big triangle.  How do you see yourself using the 26" square?  Also, there is the new Woodpecker MFT squaring device coming later this month.

Want make sure that I'm not missing something before I pass on the 26" square.

Couple reasons:
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[*]Ability to check inside and outside of a corner
[*]I missed the squares the first time around, and got the triangle as the next best thing.  I'm choosing the larger square to hopefully complement the triangle
[/list]

I don't have an MFT, so the next OTT is not a factor.  It should not be for you either -- Rick Hummel, the president of Woodpecker, outright told us to cancel the order for the square if the next OTT is better for us.

There are a couple threads comparing squares vs triangles.  The main benifit of a triangle is that it is less likely to go out of cal since it has the closing leg, and also provides a 45 reference.

http://festoolownersgroup.com/other-tools-accessories/woodpecker-square-vs-triangle/
http://festoolownersgroup.com/other-tools-accessories/triangle-vs-square/
 
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