Worldcup 2014

I was watching on Spanish (Texican) language TV with my wife after it was 3-1. The last 3 scores happened pretty quickly. I only saw the third score in replay.

Plus, I only know enough Dutch to be polite, order in restaurants/bars, and read some signs. I don't remember "Wup"?

I used to get these letters about Utilities or weird banking/tax/government things and they had all of these run-on words that were very difficult to figure out. I normally just took things to work and asked our secretary, (who was super proficient in at least 6 languages), to decipher them for me. The Dutch dictionary was about 3 times as big as an unabridged English dictionary.

I asked our secretary why and it made perfect sense when she pointed out that Germanic cultures just kept making more combo-words and they were continually adopted as part of the official dictionaries. She said the dictionary just grew and grew and grew.

Tom
 
Reiska said:
Shouldn't that be Wup, Holland, Wup?
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I think that you might be referring to "Hup Holland Hup"...

Roughly translated it means something like "Go Holland Go" and it comes from a Dutch "voetbal lied" (soccer song) that was written a couple of years after the end of World War II.

 
It looked like the "Orange Machine" was back today!  That score could have been a lot more lopsided at the end [eek]  I watched the first half then went out to the shop putting the game on my recorder - what a surprise!

Jack
 
Tom Bellemare said:
I used to get these letters about Utilities or weird banking/tax/government things and they had all of these run-on words that were very difficult to figure out.
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Meh, even I don't understand them.  [smile]

Tom Bellemare said:
The Dutch dictionary was about 3 times as big as an unabridged English dictionary.

I asked our secretary why and it made perfect sense when she pointed out that Germanic cultures just kept making more combo-words and they were continually adopted as part of the official dictionaries. She said the dictionary just grew and grew and grew.
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We use combo words, yes, but when you look at the size of the language, Dutch has about 25.000 words, and English 75.000. When we watch TV, I am often asked to translate an english  word and I can't, because there's no dutch equivalent, so I can only describe it.

 
cruiten said:
Reiska said:
Shouldn't that be Wup, Holland, Wup?
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I think that you might be referring to "Hup Holland Hup"...

Roughly translated it means something like "Go Holland Go" and it comes from a Dutch "voetbal lied" (soccer song) that was written a couple of years after the end of World War II.
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Could be - I just heard that alot in Germany when the world cup was there some years ago. Lots of very rowdy and loud people in bright orange having a ball on the streets and hollering something that sounded like Wup, Holland, Wup, but it could be just as well Hup  [big grin]
 
U.S.A. BEATS GHANA!!!!!

CURRENTLY IN SECOND PLACE OVERALL!!.

U.S.A.!!!!  U.S.A.!!!! U.S.A.!!!!​
 
As pretty much in every World Cup Germany will advance at least to the semi final and potential final. After that it's everybody's guess.

I think the final is gonna be Germany vs Brazil.

Happy that both Germany and USA won yesterday. Important wins so higher likelihood for both teams to advance to the sudden death rounds...
 
Alex said:
We use combo words, yes, but when you look at the size of the language, Dutch has about 25.000 words, and English 75.000. When we watch TV, I am often asked to translate an english  word and I can't, because there's no dutch equivalent, so I can only describe it.
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I find that surprising, since - in my experience - the average TV program here doesn't use more than a few hundred words. If I recall correctly, the shows are targeted at a seventh grade education.

And no, I do not watch much TV.
[wink]
 
Merriam Webster estimates that there are around 1 million words in the English language and the director of the Dutch institute of Lexicality estimates more than 5 million words are used in Dutch.

That kind of supports our former secretary's assertion. She had a stack of 4 Dutch dictionaries that were each about the size of an unabridged dictionary of the English language.

Now, back to futbal...

Does anyone know how the officials and the players from so many different countries with so many different languages communicate? Is it all by signals?

Tom
 
Tom Bellemare said:
Merriam Webster estimates that there are around 1 million words in the English language and the director of the Dutch institute of Lexicality estimates more than 5 million words are used in Dutch.

That kind of supports our former secretary's assertion. She had a stack of 4 Dutch dictionaries that were each about the size of an unabridged dictionary of the English language.

Now, back to futbal...

Does anyone know how the officials and the players from so many different countries with so many different languages communicate? Is it all by signals?

Tom
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Not sure about that Tom, the last printed edition of the Oxford English Dictionary was 20 volumes long, containing 22000 pages, took up four feet of shelf space and weighed about 150 lbs!

Usually, the referee and linesmen are from the same country. For example, on Thursday, the match between England and Uruguay is to be refereed by a Spaniard and his two linesmen are also Spanish. You can bet they speak good English as well as Spanish (obviously), so as to be able to communicate to the English players and the Uruguayans.

If the language is less well-spoken English is used as the lingua franca.
 
Tom Bellemare said:
Merriam Webster estimates that there are around 1 million words in the English language and the director of the Dutch institute of Lexicality estimates more than 5 million words are used in Dutch.
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The 75.000 vs 25.000 number was what my old english teacher told us in class. Seems it's a bit off. Merriam Webster estimates 1.000.000 for english, the Dutch equivalent De Dikke Van Dale has 240.000 words. No way Dutch has 5 million words. English has 500+ million contributers, Dutch only 25 million. And English doesn't change over time. Anybody who knows English can still read Shakespeare from 400 years ago. You don't have to try that with Dutch, it's a completely different language.  

But I don't want to go off on a word debate tangent.

Tom Bellemare said:
Does anyone know how the officials and the players from so many different countries with so many different languages communicate? Is it all by signals?
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Lots of communication is done in English. Football is a very international community, with players from all countries playing for clubs in other countries. The top clubs scout their players all over the world. A common interface is needed and English fits the bill just fine.

But in the field, there's actually not much talking needed. The most important signal is the referee's whistle. All the players have their eyes on the ball, so when the whistle goes, they mostly know what it's about. If they want to be sure, they look at the referee and he signals with his hand who gets the free kick. Two line referee's also signal with their flags. Once you know the (simpe) rules, it's easy to understand what's going on.

Only time when talking plays a role in the game is when players want to protest a decision of the referee. Which, of course, is pointless anyway.  
 
As a ex USSf ref I did not have the language problem, however, most fouls are indicated by hand signals.  Holding by a hand-grip motion, off-sides by a waving back and forth with the elbow locked, high boot by vertical hand rise and so forth.  Technically refs are not required to explain calls but are taught to signal to reduce confusion...that being said it does not elimination controversy or second guessing by everyone from players to coaches to spectators.  Referees are taught to try and be in the best position to see play but that implies crystal ball foresight... good luck! 
 
The refs are all language challenged. (PC designation) [big grin]

My German Landlord's son is a FIFA referee....and can't speak a word of English. That being said, he communicates with the language of flags! [scared]

You know... if the USA somehow performed a miracle and won the World Cup, soccer would become the fastest growing sport in the States!

Right now, it's Curling! [blink]

Cheers,

Frank
 
SittingElf said:
The refs are all language challenged. (PC designation) [big grin]

My German Landlord's son is a FIFA referee....and can't speak a word of English. That being said, he communicates with the language of flags! [scared]

You know... if the USA somehow performed a miracle and won the World Cup, soccer would become the fastest growing sport in the States!

Right now, it's Curling! [blink]

Cheers,

Frank
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Frank, don't hold your breath - it will be many years before the USA wins the World Cup since so many of our children get into other sports.

Jack
 
SittingElf said:
The refs are all language challenged. (PC designation) [big grin]

My German Landlord's son is a FIFA referee....and can't speak a word of English. That being said, he communicates with the language of flags! [scared]

You know... if the USA somehow performed a miracle and won the World Cup, soccer would become the fastest growing sport in the States!

Right now, it's Curling! [blink]

Cheers,

Frank
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Frank

I would have to respectfully disagree that soccer would become the fastest growing sport.  Until we produce a bonafide star like Messi or Neymar or Rinaldo, that soccer will lag behind the other sports.  The MLS has seen attendance growth, but until they are financially on another level the rapid ascension of the sport won't happen.  Case in point, the MLS just signed a new $90 million dollar TV deal, the last NFL deal was $23 Billion and the new NBA deal will be multiple billions.

When I pick my son up from school, all I see is foreign jerseys, and asking some kids who they want to win the World Cup, I don't think I have got a US vote yet.
 
Grrrrr! [mad]

You all are defeatists! [crying]

Can't you all remember the "Miracle on Ice"? Dang cynics! [wink]

I feel about winning the World Cup as I do about Winning the Lottery. I still buy tickets every week...just in case! [tongue]

Frank
 
San Antonio just won the Basketball title, again, and I think they played both the Heat and the officials to win it.

Anything can happen...

USA has 3 points after only 1 game - Brazil has only 4 points after 2 games - Oops!

Who knows?

Tom

EDIT:
I forgot to note that Germany/Almagne has only 4 points after 2 games.
 
I would like to see the US win the World Cup.  If we could make it to the semi finals that would be huge.  As hard as it is for me to admit, I am actually watching the matches. 

Tom, I am not a basketball fan, but it loved watching the beat down the spurs put on the heat. 
 
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