37mm hose to Ultimate Dust Deputy?

[JSands]

I can connect my Festool 27mm A-S hose and 50mm non A-S hoses to the UDD...but the 37mm A-S hose does not fit?  Why?

What adapter required for this?

 

[tbellemare]

All 3 sizes of hose have the same size connector (50mm) at the dust extractor end. The 50mm hoses have them at both ends.

Tom

 

[leakyroof]

I have a early production version of the Ultimate DD. My 36mm anti-static hose fits ok on the cyclone inlet. Does your 36mm hose not fit inside the inlet, or is it that your inside diameter of your 36mm hose doesn't fit the OD of the inlet? Maybe a picture would help. While I'm not in front of the dust extractor and DD right now, I can check my set-up when I get home. I seem to remember that the 27mm hose fits differently than the 36mm hose, and that the 36mm hose is a loose fit till it's shoved all the way onto the inlet.  [unsure]

 

[Ken Nagrod]

While I'm not in front of the dust extractor and DD right now, I can check my set-up when I get home.

I commend you for wanting to help out, but I think the first thing you should do when you get home is change and empty as many buckets as necessary.  Roof leaks can be a disaster.  [tongue]

 

[bobbobbob]

The taper on the inlet fits the 27mm snug but not so much on the 36mm size.  Mine works fine since I have a jumper to continue the AS 'circuit' across the DD.  This holds mine just fine (27mm and 36mm).  You may want to increase the inlet diameter with a shim of some sort (ie tape, etc).  I think the main reason the 36mm hose doesn't fit as snug is due to the inner connector piece inside the 36mm hose comes into contact with the end of the tapered inlet on the DD thus reducing the ability to fit over the tapered end. 

Just had a thought that maybe upon further inspection, possibly reducing the length of the tapered inlet (thus increasing its diameter) maybe there is enough to clear the 'inner piece' of the hose that comes into contact with the tapered inlet.  I am not in front of my setup but maybe someone else here can check this out.  Hope this helps.

 

[Corwin]

I can connect my Festool 27mm A-S hose and 50mm non A-S hoses to the UDD...but the 37mm A-S hose does not fit?   Why?

What adapter required for this?

No adapter is needed.  Instead, you will want to cut off a little of the cyclone's inlet.  While the D27 and D36 Rotating Hose Sleeves (the hose fittings that fit into your CT) are both 50mm, the inside is shaped a little different .  The following post shows this best:

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- Next, I tried to connect my 36mm hose to the cyclone.  Unfortunately, the cyclone connection is too small.  After comparing my 36mm hose end to the 27mm hose end, I found the problem - the 27mm hose end has an opening around the actual hose, that allows the hose to slip deeper onto the cyclone connection, where the 36mm hose does not (this is only a problem for those who might want to use the 36mm hose):

27mm hose end:

36mm hose end:

I was able to use the 2nd 90 degree elbow to make that connection, which might be less than ideal, but it works.

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So, you will want to:

Just saw about 20mm off the cyclone nipple and the 36mm hose will fit.

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[leakyroof]

All 3 sizes of hose have the same size connector (50mm) at the dust extractor end. The 50mm hoses have them at both ends.

Tom

 AHHH, CORWIN posted the difference.   Now I guess it's time to modify my DD.  Thanks Corwin, great pictures of the issue. Guess little is new under the sun.

 

[leakyroof]

While I'm not in front of the dust extractor and DD right now, I can check my set-up when I get home.

I commend you for wanting to help out, but I think the first thing you should do when you get home is change and empty as many buckets as necessary.  Roof leaks can be a disaster.  [tongue]

  Actually Ken, as I've told a few people before, I should really change my name to Fixed Roof with Complete Tear-Off and 1 1/2" Rigid Foam added to new roof that cost big bucks but was so worth it for our old house.  But that's not as catchy as Leakyroof.... [tongue]

 

[rmwarren]

The taper on the inlet fits the 27mm snug but not so much on the 36mm size.

I use only the 27mm hose (so far) and it appears that the inner ring of mine seats inside the dust deputy rather than the larger OD gripping the outside of the DD. The only caution I would add it that cutting the tapered DD inlet may cause it to not work with other non-Festool hoses. If you only use Festool hoses then this should not be a problem.

RMW

 

[JSands]

Yes, Corwin nailed this one.... thanks

I noticed this difference today while I further inspected the problem...arggggg...

Hey, I thought everything was known about these Festools!    This one slipped under the radar I guess....

I appreciate the suggestion of trimming 20mm off the UDD intake, but I am convinced the 50mm hose would no longer fit.... as it gobbles up most of the UDD nipple.
But I will re look this...has anyone tried this?

I wish Onieda would identify this stuff in their literature.... instead each user must research solutions... $250 you expect it the right bits, or at least the right info...

Is there an adapter made that would solve the problem?  That would be the simple solution...

BTW,  how do you stop the UDD box from collecting static dust on outside?  Do you have to run copper tape from the intake, down the bucket? 

 

[Corwin]

It is too bad that the DD doesn't have standard ShopVac-sized intake and exhaust ports.  That would have been nice.  On my ClearVue cyclone, I cut a Festool hose connector in half and installed one half on either port -- that made mine plug-n-play with any Festool or other standard-sized hose.  Oneida's DD intake sized to fit into your hose is kind of a design flaw -- your hose should plug into the intake, instead.

I just looked at the various fittings that Oneida offers and no longer see some of the items that I had seen there before.  So, I would call them to see if they offer adapters for the ports to convert to standard ShopVac hose fittings -- female ends would allow you to plug a hose into would work, but male ends where you could fit a Festool AS Hose Connector would allow you to add copper tape from the intake AS hose connector to the exhaust AS hose connector.

The static buildup that you notice on your DD has been a typical complaint.  To discharge any static buildup in the system, you must have a complete path to ground.  Other DD users have questioned if the hose supplied with the DD is not as anti-static as needed.  Fittings are also suspect, as is the static-dispersing material that the DD body is made from.  Any break in the path and you loose the antistatic aspect to your system.  So, I do suspect that you have a break...  And I don't think you have to run copper tape down your bucket, but, I don't have that product so I cannot say for sure.  I believe all that is required is a complete path, and that path should run from your Festool AS hose, across the cyclone and down the cyclone-to-CT hose and end fitting where it connects to the CT's antistatic inlet and on through the CT's power cord to your outlet.  Also note that your CT must be plugged into a power outlet that is properly grounded. 

 

[JSands]

Corwin, thx for input.... much appreciated.... agreed its a design flaw, lets face it, the 36mm hose is popular... the 50mm much less popular.  The 36mm hose on the TS75 makes a noticeable difference, so this is significant, otherwise I have downgraded the Vac by using the DD. 

Called Onideda.... once again, after explaining the problem, they are baffled.  They take your phone number and will call you back....  zero for two up till now....hopefully 3rd time will bring better luck. 

Amazed Onieda did not have the Festool 3 hoses when designing the system, ???    Hopefully an adapter will become part of the kit...

as for the static... yep, I get it, I use the AS hoses, copper tape, etc.    I suspect the hose running from the DD top to Vac has weak electrical connection, I will try copper tape that hose on the interior.

 

[leakyroof]

.  Other DD users have questioned if the hose supplied with the DD is not as anti-static as needed.  Fittings are also suspect, as is the static-dispersing material that the DD body is made from.

  While I haven't gotten any static shocks from using my Ultimate DD, I DO get the dust build-up on the outside of the unit. Compared to actual static shocks, to me, this a minor thing. I agree that the ribbed hose running from the cyclone down to the vac's intake is probably the weak line. I may add some extra grounding on/in it to see if the build-up lessens on the outside of the DD's box.

 

[JSands]

I can live with the static dust on the box, but gotta solve this 36mm hose issue...time will tell...

I too will run copper tape and report back in time...

 

[Corwin]

Uhm...  the copper tape works well on solid objects, but I am not so sure on how well it will hold up on a flexible hose.  I think a copper wire may be better in that application.  Better yet, get a Festool AS hose...

 

[leakyroof]

Uhm...  the copper tape works well on solid objects, but I am not so sure on how well it will hold up on a flexible hose.  I think a copper wire may be better in that application.  Better yet, get a Festool AS hose...

  Do you think the short hose for use with the boom arm might work?.  I can't see cutting up a full length AS hose for this application  .  .  . At any rate, a short run of copper inside the DD hose is the cheapest trial fix, so that's what I'll install this weekend and report back.  [smile]
 OKAYYYYYY. Just looked up the feed hose that comes with the Boom Arm set-It's 50mm by 5 feet?  Looks shorter than the stock 50mm by 2.5 METER hose anyway. Which according to Festool is close to 8' 2" feet long. My Metric tape measure agrees... [tongue]

 

[Corwin]

I have the D50 for the Boom Arm and also a longer D50 AS hose.  I have my ClearVue cyclone mounted to a 5-gallon bucket which sits in a Systainer.  When placed on top of my CT22 (without the hose garage installed), the top of the exhaust port stands 32" above the top of the CT -- and the shorter D50 hose from the Boom Arm will fit just fine, but without any excess to spare.  I prefer to place a Sortainer between the CT and my cyclone setup, and require the longer hose for that.  Thus far, I haven't cut my longer hose to length -- I was going to get the Drawer Systainer IV to replace my 4-drawer Sortainer (to get a second large drawer) but the one I ordered on sale last summer was on back order and they failed to fill my order...  So, I hate to cut down my longer hose...

Anyway, good luck getting it all worked out.   [smile]

 

[Kevin Stricker]

One option is to purchase the Festool Y adaptor, it fits the DD outlet like a glove.

 

[JSands]

Kevin great tip!  BTW, does Y fit the UDD, or the DD? 
I think the DD is metal, the UDD is plastic?

 

[Corwin]

Kevin great tip!   BTW, does Y fit the UDD, or the DD?   
I think the DD is metal, the UDD is plastic?

Actually, they make both the plastic and steel versions.  And both were available long before they offered the Systainer-like bucket (UDD).

Currently, the plastic DD (cyclone only) is on sale.  $39, down from $59 -- wonder if they are redesigning???