50mm or 36mm hose for jobsite cleanup with a CT26?

gostauffergo

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I'm a house flipper and remodeler, and very soon I'll be purchasing a CT26. I'll be using it for jobsite cleanup (dust, woodchips, garbage staples, etc.) 95% of the time.

Which hose should I be using for this? I'm thinking I need it to be non-antistatic, because I need it to not be fussy or hard to handle. I can tell I'll need to upgrade to a 36mm or 50mm, which one would be better for this application? Will the 36mm be plenty big enough for typical cleanups (vacuuming out stud bays, cleaning out corners after demo)?

Also, I definitely want to be able to fit the hose inside of the hose garage on top of the vac. Is the 8.25' length hose the largest 50mm hose I can completely fit in the hose garage?

Will an 8.25' be long enough to be easy to use for cleanups, or should I stick with an 11.5' 36mm hose?

Thanks for any advice
John
 
I use a Craftsman/Ridgid shop vacuum for the heavy debris of cleanup activity and save the CT for hand power tools to collect saw dust and chips.  You will quickly pay for the shop vac with CT bag cost savings.
 
Id rather pay more for the power, compact size, and ease of use of a festool vac. And i will use it for tool dust collection sometimes anyway.
 
Hi John,

  Welcome to the forum !  [smile]

  For the type of clean up you will be doing (with chunks and debris  involved) I think the D50 will be the best choice. And the non-antistatic is definitely more flexible.  Not sure about fitting I tin the garage though. I am sure someone on here can test the fit for you.

Seth
 
gostauffergo said:
I'm a house flipper and remodeler, and very soon I'll be purchasing a CT26. I'll be using it for jobsite cleanup (dust, woodchips, garbage staples, etc.) 95% of the time.

Which hose should I be using for this? I'm thinking I need it to be non-antistatic, because I need it to not be fussy or hard to handle. I can tell I'll need to upgrade to a 36mm or 50mm, which one would be better for this application? Will the 36mm be plenty big enough for typical cleanups (vacuuming out stud bays, cleaning out corners after demo)?

Also, I definitely want to be able to fit the hose inside of the hose garage on top of the vac. Is the 8.25' length hose the largest 50mm hose I can completely fit in the hose garage?

Will an 8.25' be long enough to be easy to use for cleanups, or should I stick with an 11.5' 36mm hose?

Thanks for any advice
John

First of all, John,  [welcome] to The FOG,

How to gently break the news? Only the 11.5' 27mm hose which comes with the CT26 will fit in the hose garage. Many of us find that storing even that hose in the garage or a Systainer kinks the hose. Keep the kink of the hose in mind when considering the convenience of transportation. I've always transported my own hoses in a loose coil held together with a couple of Velcro-style cable ties.

When I first receive a new hose I stretch it out in a warm place and even run warm air through it with a heat gun turned down low. I'm nearly bald so I do not own a conventional hair drier. Once the original shipping kink of the hose is relaxed by the warmth and stretching, I let it find its natural curl. I use the same approach for extension cords and TV camera cables.

The idea is to reduce kink so you are not fighting that while using the hose, cord or cable.

Page 12 of the 2013 Festool USA catalog lists various cleaning sets.

The Industrial Cleaning Set (cat 454 770) includes a 50mm Non-AS 8.5' (2.5m) hose and really large extension tubes, plus large attachments. This set does not include a Systainer. It comes in a cardboard box.These are the cleaning sets I use to clean my shop, which has concrete floors. When I buy these from my dealer who lets me upgrade the hose to the 4m x 50mm AS hose which is standard for me. I live and work in a dry climate so I need the AS hose and have learned to deal with the AS hose not being as flexible. Festool USA also sells the 4m x 50mm Non-AS hose. Personally I find cleaning is easier with the 4m (13') long hose.

Festool also sells other cleaning sets which include 36mm hoses. The Universal Cleaning Set (cat 497 702) is general purpose and is all plastic. It is priced with a 3.5m (11.5') Non-AS hose. I prefer this set when cleaning up in clients offices or homes, because if dropped the plastic extension tubes are far less likely to mar polished floors. Since you intend to flip the houses you are sprucing-up, you might well prefer the plastic tubes. I pay extra for the AS 36mm x 7m (23') hose which is my standard. Only the 3.5m hose fits in the included Systainer 5.

For my condo, which is carpeted, I use the Tradesperson/Installer Cleaning Set (cat 497 700) which is priced including a 36mm x 3.5m (11.5') AS hose and stainless metal tubes. That was the first cleaning set I purchased because I wanted a 36mm AS hose for my TS55 and OF2200 router. Way back when I did work on client's sites I used to to clean up those, until the time I dropped a stainless tube on a freshly installed hardwood floor. It took forever to sand out the ding. That was when I bought the Universal Cleaning set for use on sites.

An accessory vital to me is the Plastic Turbo Suction Brush (cat 450 644) which has 4 casters and a beater bar. I does require a 36mm hose to provide enough suction. This is the carpet brush I use at home routinely. Another is packed in the Systainer with the Universal kit I send to client's sites.

I do not know anyone using the Industrial set on client's sites, but during rough construction stages where there are few consequences from dropping a tube and there are large chips and pieces to vacuum up, this might be a more efficient set. Only these tubes and accessories work directly with a 50mm hose. Even in my large shop I prefer to not extend the 50mm hose because I find it convenient to have my CT22 close to me. The newer CT26 works slightly better.
 
Dang, thanks for the informative reply! I appreciate it.

What I usually do when im cleaning up after a demo or repair, is do the standard task of sweeping up everything I can sweep up easily, and then vacuum up the rest, like the stuff in the crevices and corners and gaps. What is probably most important to me is that I get the most suction I can out of the vaccum to pick up the stuff that is often hard to vacuum up (dust hidden in cracks/gaps, between floorboards, pebbles wedged in spots, small piles of woodchips and plaster buried down in stud bays, etc). With that in mind, would I want the 36mm or 50mm hose and fittings?

I know the general rule that the bigger the hose the better the suction, but I've never tried the hoses and vac out myself. My thinking is that, theoretically, if the motor was the same and the hose was 1000mm, it would be terrible for doing what I would need it to do. I just want to confirm that the 50mm isn't too big to get that good, pinpointed suction that I'll need. I hate clogging hoses so I don't plan on sucking up anything giant. I guess my point is that I want good strong suction for these tasks without getting a bigger and clumsier hose than I actually need to.
 
I find that general clean up at the site work just fine with the 36 mm hose. You got plenty of suction and there's very little clogging, unlike with the 27 mm hose which clogs constantly. I can also store the 3,5 meter long 36 mm non-as hose in de hose garage of my CTL 26. You do need to take some care to lay it in properly, but it fits.

I looked into getting a 50 mm hose myself, but decided it was way too bulky for my needs. The 50 mm set also doesn't have a 4 piece wand with a bend tube, like the 36 mm set, but just two long straight tubes that are too long to store in a systainer. The 50 mm set is not for general clean up in my opinion, but for really rough and big pieces. I don't know how other people clean their job sites, but I generally pick up the big pieces with a broom and a dust pan and only use the vac for the smaller pieces and dust. 
 
FYI,   a standard 2 1/2 wet vac hose will fit the Festool vacs and can be had for way cheaper      you can go with with either the 1 7/8 or 2 1/2? Ridgid hoses available at home depot  because they both have the same hose end that fits into the vac, this is the part that is the same as the hose ends on the Festool hoses)  then you can also use the Ridgid accessories which are also way cheaper

i use the 27, 36 and 50mm hoses and can say that the 50 (or 2 1/2 ") will work perfectly for what you are doing.. vac has plenty of suction

http://www.homedepot.com/s/ridgid%2520shop%2520vac%2520accessory?NCNI-5

John  
 
I totally agree with alex on this, always clean up with my 36 mm on site, it's OK. Does the job, 26mm just sucks.
 
I have a 36 mm Bosch non-as hose and it fits in my ct22 hose garage.  It's tight, but it fits.  Definitely more flexible, and works much much better than the 26mm.  Got the hose on Amazon for dirt cheap.

Jon
 
John,

  After your further description I too would say the D36 would be the ideal choice.  That hose on a Festool vac has LOTS of suction.

Seth
 
Ok, after all the talk, I think my plan is to buy-

CT 26 dust extractor
36mm x 3.5m non-antistatic hose (cause it apparently fits in the hose garage)
longlife filter bag
compact cleaning kit with systainer
turbo suction brush attachment

Seems like about everything I'll need vacuum-wise. Plus I'll probably be getting the 55 REQ track saw and a bunch of accessories, but that's another story.

Thanks for the help everyone, I appreciate it. I've bought tons of tools over the years but  thinking of dropping $1k+ on a vac actually gave me a little anxiety.

John
 
gostauffergo said:
Ok, after all the talk, I think my plan is to buy-

CT 26 dust extractor
36mm x 3.5m non-antistatic hose (cause it apparently fits in the hose garage)
longlife filter bag
compact cleaning kit with systainer
turbo suction brush attachment

Seems like about everything I'll need vacuum-wise. Plus I'll probably be getting the 55 REQ track saw and a bunch of accessories, but that's another story.

Thanks for the help everyone, I appreciate it. I've bought tons of tools over the years but  thinking of dropping $1k+ on a vac actually gave me a little anxiety.

John

That feeling will go away once you start using it.  Please post when you get it into action.

Seth
 
The 36mm is fine for the task
But i don't use my ct 22 anymore for clean up.
I got tired of spending money on bags.
For clean up I use my old Fein turbo II  with the large cloth filter.  Waaaay cheaper!
I use the ct with my tools.
 
I wonder if the old add-on accessory hose garage attachment for the older vacs are still available for purchase which you could add on top of the now integrated hose garage on the newer ct's to basically expand the hose storage garage to accomodate better the larger hoses?  Just an idea.
 
You could go with the 36 AC, I use mine for cleanup all the time after my drywall jobs. Then you don't need to worry about bags, and the price of a 26 with the long life bag is about the same as the 36 AC. And you get the 36mm planex AS hose with it which is way nicer than the standard 36mm AS.
 
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