Aftermarket Festool Manuals

John Langevin

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Matt, would it entail a great deal of work on your part to perhaps create a new forum section specifically for the fine Festool manuals that have been written by Jerry, John, Bob, Rick, and others? It would be very handy for people looking to buy a new tool and for new members as they join who might not be aware they even exist.
 
John,
I'd be fine creating a new area.  However, I try to be choosy about new boards -- I like to make sure there is enough interest among members, and enough potential activity to support the action.

What do other people think?

How many people would like to have a board dedicated to after-market manuals?  What should this board look like?  Where should it go?

Thanks for the idea.

Matthew

PS: This really belongs in the "general discussion" area, rather than Software Q&A.
 
I agree, in the sense that the most useful info I've gotten from FOG is the info about Rick and Jerry's manuals.  A list of links to them should be put in a place that is obvious even to newcomers and always available  -- like "always on top" -- could it be done with a "sticky" in the specific tools forum?

There are really two categories of manuals:  The "official" manuals like Rick's Domino Manual, and unofficial -- but still very useful -- explanations of how to use various Festool tools. 

 
I whole-heartedly agree on making the manuals more easily accessible. I just bought the TS 55 and was getting familiar with it this past weekend. I was surprised at the lack of detail in the manual (I'm a novice) and had this nagging uncertaintly about how to go about checking it out and getting started. I remembered having come across a reference to a manual in one of the forums and went searching through. I turned up the manual written by Rick Christopherson which was an excellent intro to the saw. I can't figure out why this wasn't included with the saw to begin with. Also, as a beginner in woodworking and new to Festools, this site has been an outstanding resource for information.
 
I think it's a great idea to have a section for manual listings.  I printed off Rick's domino manual and I plan on downloading and having Office Max or some other place print Jerry's manual for me.  It would be nice to have the manuals listed in their own section so I (or anyone else) know what's available don't have to search for them.
Tom.
 
I also agree having a common location for links to all the online manuals is a great idea!  Although there is a certain bit of fun in "the hunt."
 
Matthew,

I'll go one step further.  I think we (Matthew) should upload the manuals to the Gallery as a one-time load and then provide links in a forum.   That way, we'd have one master copy available.   Of course the authors would have to approve.

The file sizes are typically much larger than the forum limits, but in this case, I think it would be worthwhile to override the limits.

Regards,

Dan.
 
Dan Clark said:
Matthew,

I'll go one step further.  I think we (Matthew) should upload the manuals to the Gallery as a one-time load and then provide links in a forum.  That way, we'd have one master copy available.  Of course the authors would have to approve.

The file sizes are typically much larger than the forum limits, but in this case, I think it would be worthwhile to override the limits.

Regards,

Dan.

Hey Dan,

I just came to this thread to read and you were marked as IGNORED.  But I didn't do it -- I swear.  I actually like reading your posts, really, seriously.

Whatsup?
 
Dan Clark said:
I'll go one step further.  I think we (Matthew) should upload the manuals to the Gallery as a one-time load and then provide links in a forum.   That way, we'd have one master copy available.   Of course the authors would have to approve.

I agree 100% with Dan.  I don't know if the forum software can handle this but can you then have say an announcement on the login screen linked to the manual repository?  Then we can easily point all new users to those manuals and those who are searching for more information can easily find them.

PaulD
 
Dave Rudy said:
Hey Dan,

I just came to this thread to read and you were marked as IGNORED.  But I didn't do it -- I swear.  I actually like reading your posts, really, seriously.

Whatsup?
Dave,

That's odd.  My profile says that I have one person that has "Ignored" me.  It's not you.  (I've only got one person in my ignore list - a famous troll from a Festool competitor.)

Check your "Profile".  Click on "Ignore user options" to see your "Ignore Settings".  Look at the box on your right to see who you are "Ignoring".  Select and delete the names that you want to "Un-ignore".  Type in new names that want to "Ignore". 

If I'm not in the "Ignore" list and I still show up as "Ignored", it may be a system bug.  You need to notify Matthew immediately.

Best regards,

Dan.
 
Everyone,
I have created a new category in the gallery called "After-Market Festool Manuals."  Now we just need the authors of those manuals to approve posting them to the gallery.

The best way to do this is to have the authors send me the manuals as e-mail attachments and I will upload them to the gallery.  I'll create specific folders for each manual (TS55, MFT, and so on) as I receive the manuals.

Let's see how this develops.

Thanks for the idea,
Matthew
 
Y'know, I think "aftermarket" isn't the right word.

Putting aftermarket equipment on your car I think means adding things not manufactured by the car maker.  The manufacturer's shop manual doesn't come with my car.  If I buy it later, it's still factory, not aftermarket.  If I buy a Chilton's or Hayne's book, that's aftermarket.

An aftermarket Festool manual would be something like Rotex for Dummies:D

Credit where credit is due--these manuals are not aftermarket.  The excellent work of Christopherson and Work was commissioned by Festool.  These manuals are Festool products.

No, I don't have a better word for a "factory" manual that should have come in the box but didn't.

Ned

 
This board has certainly been a vast improvement over the old site -- and in the few months it has been constantly improved.  What a great job guys!!!!!

Corwin
 
Why not call them 'missing manuals', in the spirit of the line of manuals made for computers and peripherals that fill the gaps left by official publications?
 
Matthew et al.,

Can we go "one better" and set something up regarding user manuals that is similar to Wikipedia so that a base manual could be written by whomever and others could chime in and update or add to the previously posted description.  These could be named the "Festopedia" section.  I recommend keeping a post of the original manual in its original form and adding a Festopedia version that can be updated, provided the holder of the copyright for the original grants permission.  And if they do not grant permission, still enabling a new Festopedia version to be created from scratch and updated as user experience increases. 

I do not know how Wikipedia is setup and how they administer access to edit what is posted.  Recently I visited a site named Trackpedia which is dedicated to auto enthusiasts interested in HPDE and racing on closed circuits around the USA and Canada, and for some circuits in which I was intererested in learning more about I found they did not have any complete description of what those circuits are like from the driver's seat and the administrators were soliciting anyone to write an initial description which would be improved over time as it became revised by the inputs from others.  For some circuits I found partial descriptions, works in progress.

Many times I am not interested "in the hunt" for information on this or another forum; I have a Festool job to do and want to quickly locate the user tips that I need.  Many times this is frustrating because I know I have seen those manuals/tips someone on FOG or FestoolUSA's websites, but cannot remember where and cannot quickly relocate the ones of immediate interest.

Also, although the manuals that have been written by Rick C., Jerry W., Bill E. and many others have been uniformly excellent, still at times I find myself struggling to absorb some points and once I do, I wish that I could amend or annotate the manuals at those points to improve clarity or expand on some point of information.  [I have annotated some of my printed copies of these manuals, which I keep in plastic comb binders.]  Using Rick C's TS 55 manual [for which I am very grateful as the factory user manual supplied with the saw lack's much useful information] as an example, I would like to see added some photos of sawn boards showing the effects of proper and improper heel/toe alignment, different methods to check heel/toe alignment since not everyone has machinist tools or skills, and how to distinguish heel/toe alignment problems from other defects or misalignment errors, e.g. warped sawblade, loose pivot hinge that joins base plate to motor housing.  [My TS 55 was delivered with "toe out" instead of "toe in" which Festool admitted to have occurred to some of their units.]  While writing this I went to the FestoolUSA.com website and tried to locate Rick's manual for reference and could not locate it!  I found lots of other manuals and tips links, but not Rick's for the TS 55. 

Dave R.
 
Everyone,
I'm following this discussion, and gathering your ideas.  We can call them missing manuals, if you want, or we can call them "enhanced manuals," or whatever people agree describes them best.

Regarding a Wikipedia, my strong feeling is that there is value in having project-by-project central control on content when it is a standalone document.  I think it could get confusing if Rick's manual is posted, then changed, and changed again, and perhaps errors creep in.  Then we have a hard time figuring out at which point the mistakes occurred, and no one can know for sure whether it's Rick's word or someone else's.  In the regular forum posts, these sorts of things get worked out through back-and-forth discussion.  But if we're going to post  manuals, I think it's vital that they be as "official" as possible as posted.  Readers must be able to have total confidence that everything has been checked, or at least know who to notify of any errors.

As an aside, I have my reasons for doubting the Wiki approach.  When I was first getting established as a  freelance writer, I used Wikipedia a couple of times to gather some basic information on canine genetics.  I was appalled at the errors posted there.  I made a mental note to never rely on Wikipedia for anything.

Matthew
 
I think the whole forum has the answers and updates you would seek in a wiki, or you can start a new thread. I love the sole authorship of the excellent aftermanuals we have, and I'm looking forward to more. Not totally understanding what Jerry or others are talking about makes me read it again, and try to understand it. And then I want to try it and screw it up a few times (on scrap hopefully). That's learning for me.
 
Just a note for members who don't regularly visit other boards...

I have created a "Consolidated List of Festool Links" in the Festool Quick Links board, and this includes links to the various supplementary manuals under discussion in this thread, eg those for the Domino, TS55 and MTF.

There are also lots of links to various reviews, brochures and official manuals, and I think that even the most die-hard Festool fan will find something new to read!

Forrest
 
Hi Matt,

You are free to post my manuals but they are too large to attach to email.  You can download them from the Festool site directly.

Jerry

Matthew Schenker said:
Everyone,
I have created a new category in the gallery called "After-Market Festool Manuals."  Now we just need the authors of those manuals to approve posting them to the gallery.

The best way to do this is to have the authors send me the manuals as e-mail attachments and I will upload them to the gallery.  I'll create specific folders for each manual (TS55, MFT, and so on) as I receive the manuals.

Let's see how this develops.

Thanks for the idea,
Matthew
 
Jerry Work said:
Hi Matt,

You are free to post my manuals but they are too large to attach to email.  You can download them from the Festool site directly.

Jerry

Thanks Jerry.  I'm glad to get your approval for this.
Matthew
 
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