Another New Product - CMS

[Rutabagared]

End User Training (Trial Run).

The CMS.  Let me first say that availability and pricing have not been determined.  Also, the router table version is all that I'm aware of.

Plate inverted showing the OF1400 (I believe you can also mount the 1010 and 2200) and the attachment method - robust clips and threaded fasteners (black knobs attached).  You can also get a good view of the plunge adjustment mechanism that allows above the table height adjustment.
[attachimg=1]

Underside of table with a better view of the mounting clips.
[attachimg=2]

Above the table height adjustment.
[attachimg=3]

Sliding table profile.  I believe you can adjust this fore and aft relative to the table (Rick or Brian?)
[attachimg=4]

Joe

 

[thinkingdog]

Looks great!  Hooks up to the MFT and has a dedicated on/off switch.

How was the dust/chip collection?

 

[Rutabagared]

This screw allows you to adjust the CMS table into perfect alignment with the top of the MFT.
[attachimg=1]

Powerswitch and scale.
[attachimg=2]

Closeup of the scale on the table edge.
[attachimg=3]

A shot of the front of the fence.  In this shot, an auxiliary guard is fitted.  This guard allows you to cover large bits (such as panel raising bits) entirely.
[attachimg=4]

The fence is next . . .

Joe

 

[peter halle]

We didn't see it in operation.  However it was reported that based on their hands on tests, the dust collection is unbelievable.

Peter

 

[Rutabagared]

The router table fence is like that of a shaper - a one piece casting with removable faces attached to each side.  The fences also adjust in and out on the casting to accommodate different bit sizes.  Here's a side view:
[attachimg=1]

Here's two shots of the rear of the of the casting.  There is an integral dust port.  The black knob is a micro adjustment knob for the infeed fence (shaper-like):
[attachimg=2]
[attachimg=5]

Another view of the micro adjustment knob.  There's also a scale on the side of the casting (below):
[attachimg=3]

Closeup of the scale on the casting:
[attachimg=4]

The guard is next . . .

 

[EcoFurniture]

I love it already! I can't wait to get one of those! I hope they are not just going to be sold as a set with the router...

 

[sw1211]

I love it already! I can't wait to get one of those! I hope they are not just going to be sold as a set with the router...

Hopefully they'll offer it stand alone.  It would make sense to also offer package deals with the MFT and/or various routers.

 

[peter halle]

The following is my opinion only.  We were asked if there was interest within the class for the the CMS.  Yes there was.  We were asked at what price would we buy.  The answers were varied.

It is sexy.  It has so many cool features.  It will not be cheap.  I hope it makes it to these shores but personally don't think it will happen unless they can make it work with the TS55 / 75 and the Trion jigsaws.  It is part of the overall system and also a system unto itself.  Part of the expense is in making it a system.  Only having the router insert available will not make it feasible due to cost.  I hope I'm wrong.

UNLESS, there is enough pre-spoken demand.  Hint.  Hint.

Peter

 

[Rutabagared]

The guard and angle unit:
The guard "assembly" is a two piece unit.  The black piece is nearest the fence and acts as a featherboard in that it exerts downward pressure on the stock while the clear piece acts as a guard and exerts lateral force on the stock.
The photos below show the guard rotated out of the way to the vertical position.
[attachimg=1]
[attachimg=2]

Additional shots of the guard assembly rotated to the functioning position, except for the clear guard, which is still rotated up and out of the way.  Unfortunately, I have no additional photos showing both guards in the functional positions.
[attachimg=3]
[attachimg=4]

This angle unit looks familiar.
[attachimg=5]

Joe

 

[EcoFurniture]

I totally agree. It would be more likely to justify buying that unit if there would be also an insert for the ts and the jigsaw!
What would I be willing to pay for it? Hmmmm? For the base unit maybe $600 and for each insert maybe another $3-400. Otherwise it's very difficult to make that expense.

 

[Frank Pellow]

I have been very interested in the CMS for a long time but I doubt that I would purchase it if it only supported a router in North America.  If they also provided TS 75 support in North America it is very likely that I would buy it.

How much would I pay?  I think about $700 US for the base, $300 US for the router insert, and about $300 US for the plunge saw insert.

 

[Jesus Aleman]

I second that.  I have a very small workspace that doesn't allow me to have space dedicated to a single use tool.  An attachment for my MFT that would take the TS, trion, and OF routers would be the way to go.  I would have to plan my workflow, but the space savings and the system integration would be gold.  I expect the price to be comparable to other Festool components, but hopefully, they have an equitable introductory price.  I already have the table, TS, jigsaw and router.  All I would need is the table extension that integrates them all.

Cheers,

JGA.

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

The best part is it's portability and it can also be used sitting on the floor, just like the mft and kapex.

A lot less wear and tear on me, not having to stand up all the time.

There is nothing else that is portable and rugged at the same time.

 

[festoller]

It looks like the CMS OF #570251 (just the unit without router and base)

http://www.festool.co.uk/mediandoweb/index.cfm?sLanguage=English&ID_O_TREE_GROUP=3700&PARENT=1662&AKTIVPROD=1

and here's the complete set of CMS base CMS OF and OF 1400 #570258

http://www.festool.co.uk/mediandoweb/index.cfm?sLanguage=English&ID_O_TREE_GROUP=5626&PARENT=1662&AKTIVPROD=1

Instead of the CMS base you can of course use the MFT extension (Guide Extension MFT/3 VL #495510)

http://www.festool.co.uk/mediandoweb/index.cfm?sLanguage=English&ID_O_TREE_GROUP=1625&ID_O_PRODUCT=370265&BLATT=4&PARENT=1662&BEGIN=1&AKTIV=1&#anker

Assuming you already have the router the MFT/3 VL plus the CMS OF costs GBP 625 (US$ 1,000) and the CMS Base plus CMS OF costs GBP 691 (US$ 1,130) at todays exchange rate of 1.63. All prices without tax!

That's a lot of money for a router table, even compared to the top manufacturers. Unless there's a really great package deal comming up, I'll keep my old router table.

 

[EcoFurniture]

Thanks for your post!
That could mean, that after we get it into Canada, that whole assembly could cost around $1500 for just the table and insert... That would pretty much be a no go for me.... :'(

 

[David Figueroa]

I am a hobbyist, and own several Festools and would love to get a CMS, but not at the prices you guys are talking about... if you price out a woodpecker router lift/table/stand it comes out to $550. Ok so lets pay some extra cash for the "system" say $100, so I am saying $650 tops.

Dave

p.s I would sure like to know what you guys do for a living, so I can change jobs to do that.

 

[Wim]

I'm planning a move from Holland to the USA, next year or the year after that. I have used in Holland a TS55, an OF1010, CMS-inserts for these and the CMS-table, the Domino with extra's and of course a dust collector, the CT MINI.
I will get rid of my "European" stuff and because of my good experiences with Festool, I will buy the same equipment and something new. I already have a "USA" TS55 and a CT MINI, waiting for me when I return in November.
Therefore I'm very pleased to learn the CMS-system will be available in the USA. So before Christmas, I will do some investments in black/green stuff.

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

I am a hobbyist, and own several Festools and would love to get a CMS, but not at the prices you guys are talking about... if you price out a woodpecker router lift/table/stand it comes out to $550. Ok so lets pay some extra cash for the "system" say $100, so I am saying $650 tops.

Dave

p.s I would sure like to know what you guys do for a living, so I can change jobs to do that.

I make a living remodeling houses.  The less time it takes to complete a task, the more profit I make.
To have some thing such as the cms out in the field would be fantastic, it can be used right inside, no need to walk 3 extra miles a day.

Plus, it can be used at home.

I made a decision about 2 years ago that I didnot want to be tied down to a shop.  Festool is the only way I see that happening.
Shop quality tools for the job site.

 

[Tooldude]

It is hard to judge the US price based upon European prices.  All Festool is considerably cheaper in the US (currently) than anywhere else.  This is because the US is seen as a throw-away tool market (they are right about that) and to break into this market Festool had to lower their prices till it hurt.  US dealers cannot sell and ship outside of the US without risk of losing their distributorship. 

 

[dave w1]

hi guys, the cms systym can support the ts 55/75
all routers from 1010 up,
ps 300 jigsaw
and a belt sander