Any reason why Festool ditched the riving knife for the TS 60?

[Crazyraceguy]

[member=8955]Coen[/member], I think he was deliberately lifting the saw because it wouldn't do it on its own?

 

[Coen]

[member=8955]Coen[/member], I think he was deliberately lifting the saw because it wouldn't do it on its own?

I think more like a different definition of kick-back.

... FWIW - I’m old-school, and I’ve ALWAYS inserted wedges behind the blade whenever I suspect any chance of a cut closure. When I’ve occasionally encountered something closing up a heck of a lot - you can feel it because it’s also closing up on the riving knife, too. The second the saw starts to need any effort to push it - in goes a wedge.

So you effectively agree with Coen that a missing riving knife is a downgrade - which you are used to compensate for.  [wink]

[big grin]

Those who appreciate it - and are able to notice it - are probably too few for Festool to matter. Such is life. Besides, makes TS 55 Rs that little bit cheaper.
[smile]

Huh, what becomes cheaper? The TS 55 R on the used market because of more sellers since there *something new*?

I did buy a TS 55 F too, coming from 1st generation TS 55. It does cut faster. Blade wobble when trying to cut off 0.5mm on 45mm oak is already an issue with the thicker 2.2mm blade, have not tried that yet with the TS 55 F. But one of the biggest reasons for met to upgrade was to be able to store the FS-WA/90 in the Systainer, something that isn't possible with the Classic systainer  :-X

Still haven't sold the TS 55 yet. I hate selling things used as it's always annoying to deal with buyers, especially the flood of people offering pocket money while also requesting delivery...

 

[xedos]

Most likely because it's not necessary.

The materials typically cut with a scoring saw don't tend to close up on themselves. 

It's not an oversight - FT is very deliberate with their decisions - for better or worse.

Well the TS saws are not scoring saws - maybe you meant sheet goods saws. But it is obvious that, while they're great for sheet goods, they're useful for other materials too. If they were only intended for sheet goods, why wood there be a TS 75 and a TS 60? A TS 55 would be adequate for any sheet good. For that matter, so would a TS35 or TS45.

He may be confused, thinking that all of the TS60 are the TSV version?

Not confused.  Ignorant....................yup !  [embarassed]

I have not followed the FT's track saw line very closely recently, and wrongly thought the saw discussed was the new saw with the scoring blade.  Had not realized they brought a midsized saw to the lineup again.  Thought they'd learned their lesson with the demise of the ATF 65 which had dismal sales.

I'll bet this one does too, except in that "V" variant.

 

[woodbutcherbower]

[member=8955]Coen[/member] You make me smile every time there's a riving knife topic on here - because I just know you'll be along any time soon with your Rottweiler teeth at the ready [big grin] [big grin] [big grin]

We all have different opinions on everything. Yours are very much respected. It's great that we all keep differences of opinion on the FOG so civilised. We agree to disagree - just the way it should be.

Best wishes from England, near France.

 

[Coen]

[member=17381]woodbutcher[/member] ; but what falls under kickback for you? For me that is the saw lifting off the rail, regardless of it coming to a stop, injury or scare. In your attempts to "make it kick back", did you use the wedges too?

And yes, losing a useful feature (the riving knife) for some gimmick that fixes only a part that the lost feature did (ok, in this case also some that the previous didn't) annoys the heck out of me. Same applies to the **** heights of the new Systainers.

It's also why I spend €200 in parts to repair my 16 year old bicycle instead of buy a new one; I refuse to ride on those new sh***t bicycles with short wheelbase that are impossible to ride straight handsfree.

 

[mino]

Huh, what becomes cheaper? The TS 55 R on the used market because of more sellers since there *something new*?

Yep. Every time Festool comes with the new shiny, there are a bunch of "upgraders" which stuff the used market, dropping the prices a bit.

The availability of the TS 55 F already had this effect last year, but the TS 60 I expect to be the real thing. Unlike the TS 55 F, it makes the upgrade worthy enough for many. I sure will be on the lookout for a good value used TS 55 R for our community shop.

 

[Frank-Jan]

  Thought they'd learned their lesson with the demise of the ATF 65 which had dismal sales.

I'll bet this one does too, except in that "V" variant.

This time the saw has a few nice features, the bit of extra cutting depth is just what's needed for cutting a fairly current thickness of doors. The brushless motor gives a bit more power without getting too heavy. The major downside is the less current bladesize and their price, but the price of the blades might go down a bit, with the new batterypowered tablesaw using the same bladesize.

 

[xedos]

And yes, losing a useful feature (the riving knife) for some gimmick that fixes only a part that the lost feature did (ok, in this case also some that the previous didn't) annoys the heck out of me. Same applies to the **** heights of the new Systainers.

for me it's the cleantec hose fitting 

 

[Coen]

Yes, that too. And the addition of the bleed valve

 

[Cheese]

I can deal with no riving knife but the Cleantec bayonet fitting is a different issue altogether.    [eek]  [dead horse]

 

[Lincoln]

I can deal with no riving knife but the Cleantec bayonet fitting is a different issue altogether.    [eek]  [dead horse]

Agree, it's terrible. Have replaced the ports on my domino and tsc55 with 3D printed replacements, which accept the fittings without the struggle.

 

[Coen]

Well, the bayonet hose still has a smaller cross section, so on tools where it goes *inside* the port, like TS 55, it blocks up easier than the earlier, in my view, superior design without bayonet.

Have I ever had the non-bayoneted hose fall off? Yes. The total amount of dust reaching the floor was 1/1000 that compared to what has dropped out of the stupid bayonet when you remove it from the tool when the CTL is already off.