are you a scrap hoarder?

JavierMoreno said:
My wife steals the crap to make art  [eek][attachurl=1][attachthumb=1]

yeah, the unresolved tension between the trio of orbs brings to mind the current crisis of today's geopolitical situation, contextualizing our human condition...
translation:  i don't know what that art piece is about, but i wanted to be invited to the preview party because i heard you were going to serve some really good wine and cheese...

i don't mean to offend, javier, just having a bit of fun.  i love art and especially modern art but i also like to have fun with it.  i once walked into a gallery in philadelphia and not being too impressed with the art on the walls that consisted of various width black vertical lines on canvas, i exclaimed to the all-black-clad assistant that came to help me that i really liked their scarred and weathered antique wood floor.  i then suggested:  'had they considered putting the floor up on the walls as the art and putting the paintings down as the floor..."  imagine my astonishment when she didn't see things quite in the same way 
 
Yesterday being the first day of Autumn, I decided it was a good day to start my Autumn shop cleaning.

My particular problem is that I have long rip off cuts. I work mostly in solid wood and built the doors, some windows, the hardwood flooring, and all the trim in my house. It's all the same species - Narra. I have some pieces that are over 15' long. Most are over 4' long. My problem is that in the past I have found uses for even narrow pieces - for instance as glass stops in the doors and windows, where a ½" x ½" piece that I cut with a chopped bevel is what my design calls for. And even pieces as short as 6", if they're wide enough, got used as baseboard plinth blocks. Pieces 5/8" x 2" were used for the top of my baseboards. I recently made a support leg for long boards on my workbench and built that from glued-up scrap. Cost me nothing in wood, but took more time than it should have. Heck, I once even made some chopsticks!

I'm lucky that my shop is my garage, which has a carport right next to it, and the carport's attic is open to the garage, so I'm able to store wood in the carport attic with the ends visible from the garage. But I had so many rip off-cuts that they just became a jangle mess. I do have a couple of wall-mounted racks for wood.

I'm trying to come up with a set of rules, but it's hard. For instance:

• Pieces shorter than 6" are kindling.
• Anything else that is 4" or wider is kept. I even have some ⅛" to ¼" thin pieces that I might use as veneers, but those need to be at least 3' long.
• Anything that's ¾" thick or thicker AND 2" wide or wider is kept.
• Otherwise, for boards under 8' long, the cross section needs to be a 1.25 square inches or more. So, a ⅝" thick board that's 3" wide is kept.
• For long boards (8' or longer),  I'm keeping most that are ½" x ½" or more.
• I am keeping some pieces as narrow as ½" x ⅝" for use as replacement window stops. Some of my almost 30 year old insulated windows are starting to fog up and when I replace them it's actually easier to make new stops than to try to reuse the old stops, especially since even the outside are stain grade, not painted.

This may still end up with me keeping too many rip off-cuts. But, the thing I've learned over the decades is that keeping scrap you can't both see and get at easily is the worst thing you can do. Because if you can't easily find and get at the piece you need, you'll never get to them. Having a big box with off-cuts doesn't work since you're not going to go through the box (which typically means dumping the contents to sort and find and then put back in the back) to find a small piece.  At least I've found that I'm not. So as I organize my scrap, it has to be placed such that I can see what they are (I'm labeling the ends for how long they are) and pull them out.

My situation may be unique in that I have primarily worked in one species (although that's starting to change as I build more furniture instead of just attached to house things). I do have some "special" boards that I've accumulated over the years (a 15" wide 12' long curly bubinga board, two 12" wide by 6' long book-matched Cuban mahogany boards from a tree that a hurricane knocked over, etc.), some exotics scraps, and about 150 bf of Cherry, another 125 bf of Canary wood, some curly maple and some bird's eye maple etc. that I'm keeping too, although I might decide to sell the Canary and bird's eye maple soon, but selling wood seems problematic. Thoughts there?

 
Because I make a lot of smaller laminated stuff I keep pretty much anything bigger than 50mm x 50mm x 5mm. If it's an exotic like pink ivory, ancient redgum, beefwood, etc, I keep every little scrap as some will find their way to be used as square plugs ala Greene and Greene style or pulls, knobs, finials, etc.

I also keep all the thin offcuts from resawing and put them through the drum sander to use as accents in larger glue ups for box panels, etc.

I really struggle to throw anything away as I know it could turn into something else at some point.
 
Sliding scale depending on species or material:

Smaller pieces of exotics get saved while pine and Poplar get tossed
2' square of sheetrock goes to trash while 6" square of stranded Bamboo ply gets saved and used for accent somewhere
and so forth.......

I do bundle my small lengths of exotics with shrink wrap by species which keeps things sorted out.  Makes it easy to find all the available Lacewood, Walnut or whatever
 
Seriously, who has time to find a scrap of the desired size and species in the middle of a project with the machine set-up waiting?

I do have a few shelves of scraps, but most often than not, when I need a piece, I find it or cut it among the lumber prepared for the current project and not from the scrap pile. So, from time to time, I "organize" the shelves, seeing about 1/4 of the pile moved to the Compost Bin to make room for "new" scraps! This repeats year after year. Out of sight, out of mind.

Edit: A neighbor's girl, aspiring to be an architect, once in while asks me for wood for her art class. I always give her more than she needs. This is a scrap piece she painted when she was still very young:

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ChuckS said:
Seriously, who has time to find a scrap of the desired size and species in the middle of a project with the machine set-up waiting?... Out of sight, out of mind.

I completely agree! Which is exactly why my rule is that the scrap I do keep has to be visible and marked in such a way that I can quickly see if what I need is available. Since I work primarily in one species (this may change soon), I typically just mark with a sharpie on the ends their length, and then stack them end out. That way I can scan for the approximate thickness/width by eye and confirm that the scrap is long enough. Putting scrap in a box or tucked away out of sight is just a waste all around.

My problem is that I'm a hoarder and in the past have found uses for all sorts of sizes. I totally agree with [member=75933]luvmytoolz[/member] that for exotics it pays to keep almost all scraps for potential accents, but what I'm talking here is for "normal" species. I've found that going through my stock pile of rip cut-offs and sorting by length then width and then thickness and creating a separate pile for pieces I know I'm going to cut to 20" lengths for kindling has been helpful. I then go through the "keep" pile again, marking the ends and placing in storage, sometimes culling out additional boards to be kindling. This is from years of just throwing rip cut offs up above in the carport attic.
 
smorgasbord said:
Snip. all sorts of sizes. Snip.

In deciding what to keep, shape/profile matters too, because it saves time from setting and resetting, for example, the table saw or router bit just to make a piece of the desired angle or profile. This small corner block was cut from a scrap strip, previously beveled for another project:

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As a professional woodworker, I have to be ruthless. Anything less than a meter long gets cut up and thrown onto the woodburning stove. Ultimately, all of this timber has been paid for by my customers anyway. Two or three times a year, I'll run out of space in the workshop, cut up all of those 'they'll come in useful one day' +1 meter pieces and they'll all go on the stove, too.....

The only exception is +1-meter offcuts of oak, walnut, wenge, birch, beech and zebrano kitchen countertop. They come in useful for all sorts of oddball stuff.
 
I keep a few 5 gallon buckets of scraps around to entertain the boss. It makes me much happier seeing her building "castles" instead of sitting in front of a screen. [cool]

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So, wouldn't you know it - in organizing my stock on the racks, I noticed that the ends are bored for ½" rods into which I can stick vertical dowels. I live in earthquake country (California), so this is probably a good thing.

Anyway - you've probably guessed by now that I didn't have any ½" dowel rods lying about, so I chucked a ¼" rounder-over bit in the router table and, yup, pulled some ½"-⅝" thick stock out of my about-to-cut-into-kindling pile to use for dowels. So, yeah, sometimes keeping scraps is a good thing....
 
As mentioned earlier I use stacks and stacks of small bits of timber, I waste absolutely nothing!

All the stuff 1m and under lives in a long rack in the shed, anything 500mm and under lives in a smaller steel rack, and long lengths get stacked in another shed so I can easily see what I have when looking for something. Every so often I'll go through the piles and machine a bunch to a particular size for a specific bulk project, and thickness sand them so they're ready to go when I get around to the project as can be seen by the batch of strips standing up.

I have to say getting a drum sander has been the best investment of all my tools, it has allowed me to make use of timbers I wouldn't have been able to use without it!
 

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I generally only save nicer stuff. Walnut, White Oak, and anything that is not common. like the aged barn-wood.
Maple, poplar, etc go through in such quantity, that they aren't worth saving.
I do save off-cuts of things with special angles, or shapes until the job is done and installed, makes it easier to repair. Once it is gone/done, I throw stuff out.
The main thing I had trouble with was keeping jigs. I would make something for a specific job, knowing that it was probably a "one-off", but keep it anyway. After a while I would forget I even had it, or where it was if I did.
The "cure" for that was clearly writing the details on it with a Sharpie marker.  Job number, date and anything special like router bit diameter and bushing size (if there was one)
I just went through a cleaning a couple of weeks ago, because of an open-house. There was more to throw away than I would have thought.
 
teocaf said:
He's at the age where no matter what project he starts, whether a crane or a robot, he always manages to turn it into a gun or a death ray. 

[member=2205]teocaf[/member] That made me laugh out loud. Made my day, thanks for that.
 
Michael Kellough said:
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These really do have more durable points than Sharpies.
Those are the ones I actually use, Sharpie just seemed more of a generic term.
I got a 4 pack at Home Depot last winter some time and I haven't used them all up yet.
 
Dollar stores now offer Sharpie markers in a pack of 6 at unbelievably competitive prices. I'll give them a try after my current stock from Staples (and Amazon?) is used up.
https://toolguyd.com/milwaukee-inkzall-vs-sharpie-markers/

When it comes to shop supplies (pencils, rules, erasers, etc.), I opt for quantity so I can have them all over the place, and have one ready when I need one without having to walk across the shop to get it!

I never mark my lumber or scraps with a felt pen on their ends, a PITA to remove like the barcode tag staples. Sharpie markers (ultrafine) are used mostly to sign a work or label a shop-made jig.

 
I have to mark everything, somewhere visible, with the job name and ID number, so I use them a lot. Generally, it goes somewhere that will be covered up when re-assembled, but needs to be seen.
I always put it inside too, behind an access panel, along with my initials and the date.
Once in a while there is no good place that it is easy to remove or cover, blue tape comes to the rescue there.
 
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