Bandsaw Blade Brands, Models, Widths and TPI?

If found two great videos on YouTube by a fellow called "Randy Woodworker".  He resolved the vibration on his 14-12 by installing Carter urethane tires. Here are the videos: 




He also found and resolved other issues (minor) that I’ve encountered.  Excellent stuff.

I’m headed down to Woodcraft right now to pick up two Carter urethane tires.  As they say on TV... "News at eleven!"

Dan.
 
Will this only take those kind of tires (urethane)? 

I really dislike those slip on tires, I will take epoxied on solid rubber any day.

Urethane tires do not last like rubber and have a tendency to move around on the wheel.
 
Dan Clark said:
If found two great videos on YouTube by a fellow called "Randy Woodworker".  He resolved the vibration on his 14-12 by installing Carter urethane tires. Here are the videos: 




He also found and resolved other issues (minor) that I’ve encountered.  Excellent stuff.

I’m headed down to Woodcraft right now to pick up two Carter urethane tires.  As they say on TV... "News at eleven!"

Dan.


The fact remains that the bandsaw should function without vibration and the other problems you noted out of the box. You should not have to buy new tires to make that happen. If Laguna wants you to keep the bandsaw they should send a tech out to fix the problems. If not, they should either replace it or cut their losses and refund your money. A bandsaw that costs that much should be great from the start.
 
grbmds said:
Dan Clark said:
If found two great videos on YouTube by a fellow called "Randy Woodworker".  He resolved the vibration on his 14-12 by installing Carter urethane tires. Here are the videos: 




He also found and resolved other issues (minor) that I’ve encountered.  Excellent stuff.

I’m headed down to Woodcraft right now to pick up two Carter urethane tires.  As they say on TV... "News at eleven!"

Dan.


The fact remains that the bandsaw should function without vibration and the other problems you noted out of the box. You should not have to buy new tires to make that happen. If Laguna wants you to keep the bandsaw they should send a tech out to fix the problems. If not, they should either replace it or cut their losses and refund your money. A bandsaw that costs that much should be great from the start.


I agree 100%
The more you do to try to rectify the problem, I think the less Laguna is willing to stand by.
I know you thought long and hard, did the research and really had your heart set on this machine.  It is difficult to give up.

I think Darcy is right about the rubber tyres.  Way back during WWII, rubber was getting scarce and all sorts of Replacements were tried to replace rubber in auto and truck tires.  I don't remember what all was used, but I remember hearing all sorts of complaints about the lack of longevity and traction with the "SYNTHETIC" tires.  where rubber should be used, they still have not come up with quality replacements.  In my memory, they have been trying since way back in the early 1940's, maybe even longer. But i am only 39, so I don't remember much further than that.

Another short tale which y'all can tune out as it is off topic from BS's. It is all Darcy's fault for mentioning quality of real rubber.

I was living on a farm in the southern Berkshires. My brother, a neighbor friend and I were anxious to help with the war effort and got into all sorts of deals to both help and pick up a few $$$'s as well.  We found out that the government needed all of our old tires which they would grind up, melt down or whatever they did to make new tires using the old rubber and synthetics. 

We had a couple of old junk cars up in a corner of the pasture. We stripped the tires of of them if any were still on the wheels. There was a river running thru our property and we had noticed that all along the river, especially where it ran alongside of the road, there were discarded tires lying out in the middle.  We decided we would drag all of them out we could find; however, many of the tires were under ice where the water was not moving very fast.  We spent every afternoon after school up until chore time stripping down to our birthday suits and diving into the frigid water and dragging those tires out of the water.  That was quite a chore in itself, as every tire was full of sand and weighed a lot more the either one of us could handle alone.  It took three of us to drag each tire out of the water and up onto the bank where we could shake out the sand. The most we could handle, with it being so cold was one tire, and sometimes two or three, no more in each afternoon.

By the time we had a spring rain that brought the river up and the water was all muddy, we had maybe a dozen or more tires piled up along the river bank.  we had an old horse cart that we had taken all of the wood sides and planking off of to decrease weight.  There was barely a skeleton left, but the two wheels and axle were still in tackt.  The war in Europe had very recently ended and we were anxious to deliver our tires while the war in the Pacific was still hot.  We dragged the apparition of wagon and tires down to the corner store so the proprietor could count up and give us, hopefully, a couple of dollars for out efforts.

As we crowded into the store and asked the owner to come out to count the tires, he sort of chuckled.  He was well aware of many of our escapades as the "Three Musketeers". Every body in the village knew we were always up to some sort of mischief.  Once in a while, our mischief could be something worth while.  The previous summer and fall, we had covered every fence row and roadside in our collection efforts of milkweed pods which we turned in to make life preservers for the navy and air forces. This time, we were a day or two late.  Our storekeeper friend, who every body in the village referred to as "Uncle Clyde", knew how hard we had worked.  Every body had been talking about those crazy kids jumping into the freezing river to drag out tires.  "Uncle Clyde", as i had mentioned, got a chuckle, but added with a straight face, "Boys, I'm really sorry to tell you the army no longer is taking old tires.  The war in Europe has ended and I guess they have enough rubber to carry the load in the Pacific."  I don't remember what happened to our pile of tires.  We did take them back to the barn, where, I guess my uncle did something with them. 

When the war in The Pacific ended, my brother and i moved back to Wilton where our mom had just bought a small house. We had no central heat in the house, no running water, no plumbing and house was uninsulated.  Our mom said she was not worried about us freezing, after all, her two boys were tough enough to go diving and swimming into a river half covered with ice every afternoon for a week or more just a few months earlier.  [big grin]
Tinker
 
Dan, I agree with others that have suggested Laguna should be rectifying the issues with your bandsaw.  The more you tinker with it, the more you open yourself up to liability of blame being placed upon yourself.

Several years ago, I had to replaced my Jet 14" band saw tires with the urethane type, and haven't had any issues with them since, so I wouldn't be overly concerned with trying them out.  If it helps, then a small cost and effort is all you've spent.

I purchased a Rikon 10-351 14" Pro band saw (3HP) within the past year, choosing it over the Laguna based on my in depth review on other WW sites/forums, seemed the Laguna just had too many mechanical issues and customer service issues to my liking, these issues mainly occurring during the past year or two.  Still like the Laguna bandsaw though!  Hopefully, Laguna will take care of the issues, and it helps to have Rockler backing you up!
 
Folks,

First, thanks for the time and effort your put into your feedback. 

I agree with you that Laguna should fix my band saw.  Realistically, what will they do?  Replace the tires?  The wheels?  The entire saw?  And what guarantee do I have that this will fix the problem?

This morning, I bought and installed the Carter urethane tires.  Now the problem is solved.  It's much less noisy and virtually all of the vibration is gone.  Do I like fixing something that should have worked well to start with?  Of course not.  But spending $50 to get a good, usable tool and to reduce my hassle-factor is a cheap price to pay.

Here is a modified video showing before and after:https://vimeo.com/113821519

Again, thanks for the help and feedback.

Regards,

Dan.

P.s. If I had to do it over again, I'd probably get a Rikon or Jet bandsaw.
 
Great! I imagine you learned some things about the saw in the process. Hope your life is free of bandsaw problems in the future.
 
grbmds said:
Great! I imagine you learned some things about the saw in the . Hope your life is free of bandsaw problems in the future.
Learned some things?  Oh yeah.  As the old saying goes, "God grant that I live in interesting times."  Well it has been "interesting".    [eek]

Thanks again,

Dan.
 
Good news.  I've had more discussions with Laguna Support, with the last few calls initiated by Laguna - specifically with Brian Diaz at Laguna USA.  With a few minor adjustment, now my 14-12 is running extremely smoothly.  Now I'm very happy with the saw.

Brian researched how much to tighten the wheel nut.  The wheel nuts are left hand thread and should be tightened finger tight. If a wheel needs to be removed for some reason (like replacing the tire), the wheel nut should be twisted  counter-clockwise using your fingers only and NOT a wrench.

With the new urethane tires and after re-tightening the wheel nut to be finger tight, the saw runs very smoothly.

In a post above, I mentioned that the top and bottom wheels were not in alignment.  It turns out that the fix is fairly easy.  Brian walked me through process.  There are adjustment nuts on the back of saw by the motor that are there for this specific type of adjustment.

Regards,

Dan.
 
Dan, glad to hear the band saw is running smooth, all the issues are resolved, and Laguna tech support followed through for you.  Time to do some resawing, sawing, whatever, and break that puppy in!!!!!
 
I'm glad that you reached out to Laguna, and that they followed up with you. My experience with them has been excellent, and it sounds like - except for a somewhat rocky start - yours has been as well.

And look at it this way: you now have a personal contact at Laguna should you need one in the future!

[thumbs up]
 
Glad you worked this out.

I feel pretty bad being i told you you would love the saw.

Makes me think as my saw also vibrates a bit when its coming up to speed. I figured it was normal. Probably is but it makes me wonder now...
 
Baremeg55 said:
Dan, glad to hear the band saw is running smooth, all the issues are resolved, and Laguna tech support followed through for you.  Time to do some resawing, sawing, whatever, and break that puppy in!!!!!
Baremeg,

Yep. I've been doing some sawin' and resawin'  In fact, I put resawing to work "live" tonight.  I've known about the benefits of resawing for a while.  But it was intellectual.  Tonight the brain lit up and I experienced the benefits of a bandsaw to solve problems.

I decided to replace the plastic block by the lower wheel with a zero clearance block.  So I started thinking, where can I get a little chunk of wood about 2" X 3" by 3/8"?  Have I got a piece of wood that is close to the right thickness that I can run through my planer?  Maybe sand something down to the right thickness?  And then, of course, how can I cut safely cut something that small?  My brain was channeled into old thinking.  Then it truly hit me...  Duh! I already have the perfect tool for that!  As the British would say, I was gob smacked!  I was starting to "get it".

So a took a 5" X 8" by 9/16" chunk of wood that I using for resaw practice and quickly got it down to 3/8".  Tested it... Ooops... Mismeasured.  It's a bit too thick.  Resawed again and shaved less than 1/16" off.  Tested... Perfect thickness.  Then ripped and crosscut down to size.  Tested.  A smidgen too wide.  Shave about 1/16" off.  PERFECT! 

Un about 15 minutes, with minimal experience on my saw, I whipped out something that would have been a bigger issue with other tools.  Nothing huge and important, but my brain shifted from "This is a nice tool" to "Wow, this thing is really useful!"    [big grin]

Like my MFT and TS55, the 14-12 is starting to become MY tool...  Grab it.  Use it.  Don't think about it.

Regards,

Dan.

p.s. I looked at the Rikon 10-351.  That's a very nice bandsaw.  Even though it was more money and required 220V, that would be my next choice after the Laguna.
 
wow said:
I'm glad that you reached out to Laguna, and that they followed up with you. My experience with them has been excellent, and it sounds like - except for a somewhat rocky start - yours has been as well.

And look at it this way: you now have a personal contact at Laguna should you need on in the future!

[thumbs up]
Wow,

Yes the path is getting much smoother.  And Laguna Support is excellent.  Brian Diaz has done a great job.  Very good guy.

Regards,

Dan.
 
Iceclimber said:
Glad you worked this out.

I feel pretty bad being i told you you would love the saw.

Makes me think as my saw also vibrates a bit when its coming up to speed. I figured it was normal. Probably is but it makes me wonder now...
Iceclimber,

No sweat.  Like many other folks, yours have less issues than mine.  I'm not in "love" yet, but I'm in serious "like".  [smile]

My saw vibrates a little coming up to speed and then smooths out nicely.  You should check out Randy Woodworkers 14-12 videos on YouTube.  He covers some of the issues he found on his saw that he resolved creatively...

Like replacing some of the OEM plates with new plates held on with magnets.  And replacing the plastic block by the lower wheel with a zero clearance wood block.  I did that to mine to help prevent sawdust getting the lower wheel cavity.    And filing down the nut on one side to get the table coplanar by the blade replacement slow. 

You can search for "Randy Woodworker" or just click on his videos above.

Regards,

Dan.
 
Dan, I'm glad it is all working out for you.

Like you, i thought a long time over whether or not to get a bandsaw.  I actually ended up with probably the cheapest I could get at the time. BUT, once i got it home and set up, it is very often, the go to tool, especially when I need to cut something tiny, as you with your Zero clearance blocks.  I have thought of doing that, but what i have seem to work ok.  You have talked me into trying them.

Before getting the bandsaw, i was resawing by ripping part way thru on the table saw, flipping and ripping the other side and then finishing the space between with one of my old carpenter hand saws.  Once i tried the resawing with the BS, I was well on the way to moving the table saw out the door. 
Tinker
 
Dan, good story on the zero clearance insert.  Nice isn't it to have that capability now!  In some ways, having the issues you experienced enabled you to know more about your saw, which should help you with keeping it running smooth for years to come.

Resawing on my RIKON is a true pleasure, and I'm sure the Laguna will offer at least equal rewards.  I've owned (for over a decade) a 14" Jet band saw with riser block, carters guides, carter tensioning device, etc, etc...but in no way can it ever equal my  Rikon especially when it comes to resawing.  I kept my Jet BS for projects requiring a small blade.  You might want to check out some of the BS blades offered from Highland Hardware eventually, I think you mentioned in an earlier post you bought several other blades, but, a good blade will really elevate that Laguna to the next level when resawing.....
 
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