Barebones workshop with festool

ryantm2001

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I have to store my Mini-max combo machine for a few years to accomodate a move to a much smaller space. I also have to ditch the bandsaw, drill press, and lathe.  Which Festool/power tools/hand tools would you have to have to make furniture.  I'm fine with the planing and jointing etc.. losing the bandsaw I think will hurt the most.  As far as festools go, I have the following:
TS55
OF 1400
CT 33
MFT 1080
D-Handle Screw Driver
Asst. Festool Sanders

Handtools, include traditional bench, saws, planes, etc.

Suggestions please...

Regards,

-Tom
 
Tom-

Looks like you've got it covered - EXCEPT for Domino.  I make furniture and cabinets and use about the same equipment as you have - without all of the heavy stuff.  Seems to work for me - I don't miss any of that stuff.  In fact, I think I'm prety efficient without it.

I have an ATF 65 in lieu of the 55, and a CT 22, but everything else is the same.  Have fun!!  I sure do.  And I can beat the pants off of my competitors when I need to on pricing, in large part because I don't have all that overhead.

You might want to get a couple of Guide Rails for sheet goods and such.

After a few weeks, you'll wonder why you had all that "other stuff".

Just my opinion.
 
In place of the bandsaw, I would recommend having a Trion Jigsaw. I haven't used my bandsaw for about a year. It continues to amaze me that the Trion can do so much.
 
Thanks for the advice guys.  I do believe I will miss my bandsaw the most, as I like to resaw.  How do you break down 8/4 lumber w/o a bandsaw?  Also, do most of you festool only shop guys use a portable planer?

-Tom
 
You can break down 8/4 with a Trion or the larger "75" saw.  I have an older ATF 65 it works just fine for 8/4. I would like to get one of the new TS 55s which would handle about 80% of the work I do.  Nice to have the larger one though.

I do have a portable planer - a DeWalt 735 and it is OK, though I would like a larger one - probably the only non-Festool that I have much interest in...

John is right on the money about the Trion - I think it makes a pretty good substitute for most, certainly not all, band saw work.  I haven't missed a band saw yet---

Good luck!!  My guess is that a couple of months down the road, you'll look back and wonder why you had all that "other stuff"  ;D
 
woodshopdemos said:
In place of the bandsaw, I would recommend having a Trion Jigsaw. I haven't used my bandsaw for about a year. It continues to amaze me that the Trion can do so much.

Ill second that. I am constantly amazed at this woodworking marvel. It is so underated as no one mentions it that much. I would go as far to say that its up there in the top few products Festool have ever made. How glass smooth and perfect is the cut ;D What a cracker ;D
 
I have been contemplating on ways to acquire a little extra space in my WW shop.  For several months I have been reading comments about the possibility (or actuality) of creating a shop using only Festool toys.  I have drawn up all sorts of scenarios for tool placement and have found the single largest space requirement is that area used by the Table Saw.  With a minimum of wall space as well as no floorspace, that is the one machine that requires more space than any other tool or equipment.  I cannot reach tool panel that is behind it.  To rip a board over 4 feet in lenght, i must rearange practically the entire shop. It is nearly impossible to make room for crosscutting any thing longer than 3-1/2 feet.  Because the TS is against one wall, my MFT has to be against the oposite wall which makes it nearly impossible for me to reach the only wall/tool panel on that side of the shop.  I have considered removing my bandsaw, belt sander, drill press, thickness planer, or one of my work benches.  I don't use the drill press or the sander very often, but when i need either one, there seems to be no alternative to replace.  Neither one of those tools take up a whole lot of room.  The sander can be placed on a work bench when needed.  The bansaw can be stored against a wall and rolled out into open floor space (what little there is) and the bandsaw table is high above all other machiery and presents no moving problems to develope space.  The planer fits into the Boss's laundry room and creates no static(SO FAR, SO GOOD), The Table Saw just does not have any options other than to take up space.  To use it, more space must be developed some how, usually a very time consuming affair.  After much deliberation, i am finally convinced the way to develope a little extra space and a whole lot of time saved will be to remove the TS.  I'll put it out in the barn until the action has proven to be a sensible idea, but after reading all of the thoughts here, I believe I can work with my MFT and Festool saws and routers.  It will only take a little immagination and thought to get the efficiency i should have.  With the MFT setup in the midddle of the floor instead of against the wall, and the TS removed from the other wall, i should have instant access to the tool pannels and tools will be (hopefully) hung in proper places instead of piled on the nearest horizontal surface.  With two MFT's (800 & 1080), I will have the ability to set them up in tandem or side by side to accomodate larger or longer suport requirements.

Of course, all this leads me to undrstand that i am just lubricating the "slippery slope" by making more space to pile systainers and another MFT.  I am already typing up a list. 

DO I NEED HELP???????
Tinker
 
One of my driving forces for choosing Festool was their ability to combine the tools in various ways, perform high quality work at the work site, and then quickly store in a small space.  I find it hilarious when I read posts on some forums that start with something like, "What is the easiest way to get a (big, honkin') sheet of plywood on my tablesaw to break it down." 

Clearly there are some things that big stationary tools can do better.  What is not clear is which ones.  Take the tablesaw for instance...  With a TS55 or TS75, a few guide rails, and an MFT or a couple of sheets of foam insulation, you can do most of what table saw can do.  In many cases, you can do it more quickly and accurately. 

Many people believe that a tablesaw can rip small pieces of wood more efficiently and accurately. To deal with this, a portable, fold-up contractors saw like the new Bosch 4100 or maybe a Festool CMS might be a great addition to more traditional Festool tools.  The CMS is not currently available in the US but it folds up and stores away.  The Bosch contractors saw is available and is nice because they have a unique "Gravity Stand" that allows you to quickly fold it up and wheel it into a corner. 

It is this combination of functionality and synergism that I'm seeking - melding Festool and non-Festool products with traditional and new techniques to get high quality results.  I don't see this as "minimal"; I see it as a better way of dealing wity my realities.

Regards,

Dan.

 
I'm sure some will "poo-poo" this suggestion -- but have you considered a smaller combo-machine like a Shopsmith?  You'd have a tablesaw for those times when you really need it, plus the drill press and other goodies.  My dad had one and it barely took up any room in the garage and he built some nice things with it.  Am thinking of getting one myself.

JW

ryantm2001 said:
I have to store my Mini-max combo machine for a few years to accomodate a move to a much smaller space. I also have to ditch the bandsaw, drill press, and lathe.  Which Festool/power tools/hand tools would you have to have to make furniture.  I'm fine with the planing and jointing etc.. losing the bandsaw I think will hurt the most.   As far as festools go, I have the following:
TS55
OF 1400
CT 33
MFT 1080
D-Handle Screw Driver
Asst. Festool Sanders

Handtools, include traditional bench, saws, planes, etc.

Suggestions please...

Regards,

-Tom
 
Hey Tom, it must be tough to have a mini max combo and not be able to use it.  You seem to have your Festool bases covered.  I'd concur with the jigsaw being a tool that exceeds expectations.
I think the question of a shop populated only with a certain type of tool, be it handheld or stationary, revolves around what type of work one does and what is being produced.  As a carpenter I think the decision for which tool to use is question of efficiency.  Thus, I pocket screw instead of Domino when I can because it's faster for me, and I don't have to drag out the clamps.  If I'm dealing with any dimensional lumber it's mostly the table (contractor's) and chopsaw.  Breaking down panels; the TS saw.  I'd quit carpentry if I had to give up my table saw, though.  Way to frustrating to try and jig the TS to cover a tablesaws functionality, and I'd be laughed off jobsites from Bangor to Seattle to boot.  But I can understand someone who has the time and interest to come up with innovative ways to expand and hone the Festool's product line capabilities.  The tools on the whole have a lot of inherent flexibility.
Brent
 
I wouldn't drive across the street to get a ShopSmith after using one for about ten hours a few years back. Cutting dados in 5' x 2' cabinet sides sucks royally on that thing. Breaking down sheet goods was a joke on it. Absolutely no comparison to using a Festool plunge saw.

If you must have a tablesaw, get a good contractor's saw. It will take up less space than the SS and you'll get better results without having to worry about the "outrigger table" being aligned with the rest of the table if you want to cut something longer than a couple of feet.
 
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