Bed Project Help - Domino Related

Mike Goetzke

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I'm ready to construct the bed frame for my daughters bedroom set I'm almost done with. She picked a modern style. It has plywood rails/foot-head boards - all edge banded in black walnut. I was thinking of using dominos that are glued in the head/foot boards but screw into the dominos from the inside of the rails once assembled. I will probable still need to reinforce the corners with gussets but thought the dominos would work well as an alignment feature.

Is there a different/better way to do this?

Thanks,

Mike
 
Mike,

If I understand you correctly, your considering permanently attaching the domino tenon into a mortice in the headboard/footboard leaving the stub sticking out, then joining a bed rail with a corresponding domino mortice on its end, then inserting a screw through the inside wall of the bedrail into the stub tenon to secure the bed rail to the headboard/footboard.  My concern is how you ensure that the bed rail is drawn up tight against the headboard/footboard so the joint cannot rack slightly when in use  (children jumping on the bed?).  I would use at least two dominos spaced apart in each end of each rail; the deeper the rail, the less likely it will rack relative to the headboard/footboard.

Most hardware systems for joining bed rails to a headboard/footboard have a mechanism or tapered shape that draws the joint tighter together as the load on the bed increases.  Others simply use bed bolts extending though the headboard/footboard into the bed rail which can be drawn up very tight.

Have you considered reversing your proposed arrangement?  If I was wanting to use domino tenons to join a bed rail, I would glue a pair of them spaced apart in the end of the rail, make corresponding mortices (sockets) in the headboard/footboard, then insert a decorative head screw through the outside of the headboard/footboard into the rail.  To help ensure that screw does not pull out, I would insert a domino through the inside surface of the rails (not penetrating all the way through the thickness of the rail) so the screw will go through the cross grain of the domino when the screw is inserted.  Cross grain holds screws and nails better than end grain.  Also, driving a screw parallel to the layers of plywood without a pilot hole is likely to cause splitting,

I built a bed of hard maple for my son ~20 years ago that is still in daily use and is as solid as any ever made.  The rails are quite deep (about 17 inches) because they also house a bank of three deep, full width drawers above a full size trundle bed drawer.  The ends of the rails fit directly into a stopped groove (dado) in the headboard/footboard, and decorative head machine thread screws extend through the headboard/footboard into threaded metal inserts I installed in the ends of the bed rails.  The bottom of the stopped dado aids in positioning the rail in the right position when the screws are being inserted or removed rather than crashing down on the floor or your foot.

If I ever build another bed, I will probably use a pair of 10mm dominos at each rail to headboard/footboard joint together with a decorative head screw which extends through the headboard/footboard into the rails.  And I'll probably install threaded metal inserts in those rails for a connection that will last for generations, and not likely to loosen up.

Dave R.
 
Dave - thanks for your reply. Guess I was just looking to use my new tool. I did find several sources for the brackets. More info.: my rails will go all the way to the foor and I need to make the bed so it can be disassembled.

Mike
 
I built a platform bed last year and used domino's like you mentioned for alignment purposes.  However I used these on the underside for the actual connection. 

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Carl
 
Mike Goetzke said:
Dave - thanks for your reply. Guess I was just looking to use my new tool. I did find several sources for the brackets. More info.: my rails will go all the way to the foor and I need to make the bed so it can be disassembled.

Mike

Your welcome.  All beds I know of (excepting those for infants) are designed so they can be disassembled.  Since the rails will rest on the floor, the loading on the mechanical junctions between the headboard/footboard and rails won't be nearly as large as I was thinking when writing the messaged above.

You can definitely use your Domino machine. 

There are at least a couple other possibilities you could use, derivative of your original idea (stub tenons sticking out of headboard/footboard). 

1.  Insert two domino tenons in each rail connection joint of the headboard/footboard.  Then drill a very Slightly offset hole through the inside of the rail relative to a complementary hole in at least one of the domino tenons, so that when you insert a dowel pin with a chamfered end, it will draw the joint tightly closed.  This is the same proven principle long used in post and beam construction of old barns.  Then insert your screw through the inside of the rail into the other domino stub tenon.

2.  Use those camlock fasteners that are designed for knockdown furniture.  Some cabinet makers use them so they can prefab cabinet components, disassemble the cabinets, ship them flat, then reassemble on site.  Installation of these will likely require specific sizes of Foerstner drill bits.  I have not personally used them; I only know what I have read about them.

Dave R.
 
Thanks for the help. I bought some bed rail clamps at Rockler but they were junk so I just used pocket screws. I also ended up raising the rails a little off of the floor since I found the floor not to be completely level.

Mike
 
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