Maybe there's something for beginners, in Bent's videos, but there are much better channels to follow. My biggest problem is the titles of his videos - things like 'you're doing this WRONG' and 'build this thing the RIGHT WAY'. Very off-putting, comes across as arrogant even before you hit play.
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Exactly. Or "Pro cabinet makers don't want you to know this..." I usually just skip those.Lincoln said:
I prefer channels where the accent is on interesting and unique pieces rather than sporting every latest gadget. Some "infomercials" is fine, you have to make money somehow, but as long as it's not overwhelming.
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Powermatic was a long-time sponsor for The Wood Whisperer, but that stopped a couple of years ago, and he had a video on it. No sour grapes, just talking about some of the realities of doing videos and having sponsors.
Interestingly, in a live chat session he had recently, he was asked about planer snipe and he admitted that even his big Powermatic did snipe and so he'd use his drum sander for the final passes to get that out.
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Ya, while this Utube woodworking stuff may interest some folks, I find it nothing more than just a brazen attempt of the "INFLUENCERS" to circumvent getting a real job.
The woodworking groups are probably the most brazen bunch in whoring their trade...and that's truly unfortunate. The metal workers on the other hand seem to want to add a value added dimension which is much more sincere than the woodworkers agenda.
The woodworking groups are probably the most brazen bunch in whoring their trade...and that's truly unfortunate. The metal workers on the other hand seem to want to add a value added dimension which is much more sincere than the woodworkers agenda.
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smorgasbord said:
Snipe only occurs at the ends of the board, as long as the board is handled correctly while passing through. If end snipe is a regular occurrence just plan for it by leaving the stock long enough to cut off the bad ends rather than replaning with the drum sander. Or run some other equal thickness stock at the same time alongside but a little ahead of the keeper and a little behind to “occupy” the rollers and cutter.
Cheese; there seem to be two distinct class of viewers of YouTube woodworker videos - I fall into the camp of a big fan of woodworking videos on YouTube because I have learned a lot about woodworking from YouTube. I find them very instructional mostly
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Michael Kellough said:
Mark said as much - and more - in that segment, but pointed out not all will always work all the time.
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Interesting observation. But this is their real jobs. They treat them as real job. some make shit ton of money doing it. They also follow trends. All those catchy titles are a way for them to get viewers. If they get viewers they get sponsorships, they get more money. It all boils down to follow the money really. Nothing wrong with it. If google changes algorithm they have to adapt. Another thing most of them are doing now is getting on patreon. Jason made few posts about it on IG saying that this year he is going to be posting less and less on IG and youtube and increase his patreon offerings. Patreon is something i have managed to avoid for now, will see how it goes later
Quoting Glen Frey, "It's the lure of easy money...it's got a very strong appeal."
Tamar Hannah (3x3 Custom) started out in an unheated garage with a DeWalt table saw and Ryobi power tools. She was determined to learn woodworking and take her viewers along the way. She has an endearing way of explaining fundamentals and researches pretty completely. For a while she had an uncanny knack of releasing a video with a shop-made jig 2 or 3 days before one of our product releases that did the same thing. It was so consistent for a while that a few people in the building thought she had a spy.
I hadn't seen any of her videos for maybe a year (because the convergence seems to have been coincidental), then one popped up on my feed last week. I knew she had moved and had a new shop, but wow... 3-D printer, CNC, Laguna machinery everywhere, SawStop, etc. The "Hey, if I can do it, you can do it." theme seems to have evaporated.
Tamar Hannah (3x3 Custom) started out in an unheated garage with a DeWalt table saw and Ryobi power tools. She was determined to learn woodworking and take her viewers along the way. She has an endearing way of explaining fundamentals and researches pretty completely. For a while she had an uncanny knack of releasing a video with a shop-made jig 2 or 3 days before one of our product releases that did the same thing. It was so consistent for a while that a few people in the building thought she had a spy.
I hadn't seen any of her videos for maybe a year (because the convergence seems to have been coincidental), then one popped up on my feed last week. I knew she had moved and had a new shop, but wow... 3-D printer, CNC, Laguna machinery everywhere, SawStop, etc. The "Hey, if I can do it, you can do it." theme seems to have evaporated.
Tamar moving to a new house and getting bigger tools doesn't bother me.
Where I loose interest is when some YouTubers go on to buy a 4,000 sq ft commercial building or build a 5,000 sq ft shop and start buying industrial machines.
But I guess I'm no longer their target audience. Makes me wonder who is?
Where I loose interest is when some YouTubers go on to buy a 4,000 sq ft commercial building or build a 5,000 sq ft shop and start buying industrial machines.
But I guess I'm no longer their target audience. Makes me wonder who is?
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Joelm said:
You firing shots over the northern border?
Not sure why success seems to bother some people. People just don't wake up one day and all of the sudden they have a successful business - It takes a lot of hard work and sacrifice to build a successful business and I, for one, respect that. Anyway all this negativity directed at successful Woodworker YouTubers is surprising to me. I hope it does not convince these YouTubers to stop putting out content
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I am not criticizing Tamar's success. More power to her. It just seems she has left behind the people who put her where she is. I always felt she could do more with less than anyone I've ever seen. That aspect is missing from her more recent videos.
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krudawg said:
When these YouTubers start showing you how to cut a big plywood sheet in two using a $15,000 sliding table saw, you'll stop watching too. And remember, they're not paying full price for those saws like you would be, since their videos on them are sponsored. (Yes, looking at Bent's video for one.
And when they're the ones that started out and became popular reviewing Chinese tools that were $20 cheaper than the originals (sometimes patented), well, it's simply a different audience.
After one of them hit me up for a free cyclone I have taken a real dislike to YT personalities who do this sort of thing. He was not a happy camper when I told him it was not going to happen as he thought he had a right to get something for nothing (as far as I am concerned) but others obviously see it differently.
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The YouTube woodworking audience is certainly quite expansive, covering the gamut from rank novices to advanced work.
I've been working as a professional carpenter for 24 years now, and am focusing my business development on modern- and high performance- door and window repair/production. Given this relatively niche interest, I find that the most relevant, helpful videos are often the ones with little- to no- narration, terrible production values, and typically relatively short. These videos are often shot by a professional woodworker to demonstrate one very specific step of a project, with no interest in monetization. They're particularly hard to find because the algorithm wants to promote popular videos, but it's a real treat when I can get around the algorithm and find some of the "ugly duckling" videos.
One series of videos I thoroughly enjoy are on the SWR Craftsmanship channel, Oliver suggested they are the equivalent of German PBS. This video on door production is excellent, it shows how a professional door maker produces a modern, high-end door using industrial equipment, exactly what I'm looking for:=1846s
On the flip side, I have zero interest in the "how to make a traditional entry door using these five common tools already in your garage". It doesn't mean that the videos are bad or without value, they just aren't relevant to my wants/interests.
I've been working as a professional carpenter for 24 years now, and am focusing my business development on modern- and high performance- door and window repair/production. Given this relatively niche interest, I find that the most relevant, helpful videos are often the ones with little- to no- narration, terrible production values, and typically relatively short. These videos are often shot by a professional woodworker to demonstrate one very specific step of a project, with no interest in monetization. They're particularly hard to find because the algorithm wants to promote popular videos, but it's a real treat when I can get around the algorithm and find some of the "ugly duckling" videos.
One series of videos I thoroughly enjoy are on the SWR Craftsmanship channel, Oliver suggested they are the equivalent of German PBS. This video on door production is excellent, it shows how a professional door maker produces a modern, high-end door using industrial equipment, exactly what I'm looking for:=1846s
On the flip side, I have zero interest in the "how to make a traditional entry door using these five common tools already in your garage". It doesn't mean that the videos are bad or without value, they just aren't relevant to my wants/interests.
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Who cares if it's a $30,000 Felder saw or a $50,000 Felder Saw? I don't. But it's nice to know someone builds a saw that has all that capability. When I buy a new car I look at all the trim levels and engine options available for a particular model - most high level trims are way out of my price range but I still like to look and compare. Anyway, we are talking in circles here so I'm just going to say I don't begrudge success in any way and always admire individuals who succeed not the person who says "gee, if I had only done that, things would have been different for me.
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The advertisers. They keep an eye on several metrics, including total subscriber count, number of views, number of comments, etc. They even get into the details of how long viewers stay. Watching to the end is much better, especially if there is product placement. Even if the host does not mention something, just the fact that it is on camera matters.Joelm said:
Tamar got hooked up with Katz-Moses and is not selling products. (router base jigs and stop blocks)
I don't begrudge any of them a buck, in whatever way they see fit. Some do it by channel memberships, some by T-shirts/merch, others just the YouTube money. The Patreon thing is the one that bothers me the most and it's not just woodworking channels, I watch content about several subjects. The thing I notice is that they slowly migrate to mostly Patreon and leave those freeloader YouTube viewers behind.
The post far less often, just enough to keep the subscriber count up, but the majority of their focus is on those who are paying directly.
The "over the top" headlines and/or thumbnail pics are just there to get clicks. You can see this happen in real time. A channel that is used to fairly consistent view counts will change the thumbnail or wording in the thumbnail, if the view-count is starting out too slow. They are always going to get a few more clicks as the video sits there for years, but the main drive is that first couple of days.
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krudawg said:
If you have only a DeWalt jobsite saw and are trying to cut down a 4'x8' sheet of plywood, then a video showing how to do that on any sliding tablesaw ain't gonna help you.
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I don't understand why you keep harping on this. If you're watching just for entertainment, watch whatever entertains you.
But, if you were just starting out with woodworking and came across Bent's channel and his multiple videos on his free-to-him-but-not-for-you sliding tablesaw, those videos wouldn't help you, they'd just make you pine for equipment you probably can't afford - and even if you could afford you probably shouldn't start out with them until you were sure this is what you wanted to do.
If you're just learning to drive, you shouldn't start out with a Porsche 911 Turbo S, and watching videos of him racing that won't help you much with your souped-up Miata. There's probably some YouTuber out there who started racing Miatas and is now racing 6-digit sports cars he can afford from his YT profits, and while that's great for them, those Porsche videos won't help you much in learning to race your Miata.
LOL, Bent even admits today he's been doing it wrong for years!
