Bent's Channel

[Mini Me]

There are in reality two different classes of sliders, a short stroke slider such as a Hammer K3 winner and a true panel saw which is obviously a lot longer. A short stroke slider takes up the same space length ways because the same allowance for infeed and outfeed is the same as a cabinet saw.

Back to influencers and YT personalities I tend to go along with if you don't like the person's content or what they are on about don't watch. I do dislike most of them other than those such as Ishitani and the one I dislike most is a lady who started a channel with zero knowledge and went on to be very successful often using the knowledge of others because she did not know what she was doing.

My dislike of Sedge was formed by what to me was a clown show between him the other Festool person who was purportedly his pupil and I choose not to watch anything of his now and I notice the two of us who don't like him are Australian so it could also be a cultural thing as well. I don't see any reason to watch something I don't like and can't understand why anyone would do that.

I have now fallen into the habit of going to the end of a video and seeing the result and that can save a lot of time. 

 

[krudawg]

The one piece of equipment that I yearn for more than any other?

A two car garage door that opens directly into my workshop.  That would make my woodworking so, so much easier. [big grin]

I had to sell my Toyota Tacoma so I could eek out some space for woodworking.  Everything in my side of the garage is on wheels.  I really appreciate your dream workshop.  I regret selling my Tacoma because now I have to ask friends with trucks to carry my plywood sheets but I don't regret having room for woodworking

 

[Woodenfish]

I could watch any Steve Ramsey of “Woodworking for Mere Mortals” YouTube video and see better designed pieces built by a guy in a minimalist shop who isn’t pretentious. When I see all of that equipment in Jason’s shop I anticipate something really special must be going on there. That was a big error on my part. There are so many better YouTube channels of excellent men and women makers who are much better woodworkers than this fake.

I tried watching Sedge and he kind of annoyed me too with his Curly Howard act from the Three Stooges all of the time. His cheesy smile when he wants to stop his video so he can move his camera around is kind of creepy. When he had Big D on the two of them together looked like they were headed to a flea market. They just weren’t very professional when being a face of Festool.

 

[woodferret]

I don't think FUSA has ever been professional

* edit: Kidding.  Brent and some of the olders hands are.  Even 14yr old Sedge was professional back in the day... so chalk it up to the new Husqvarna/Gardena lifestyle/personality centric management.  Old TTS management was from the industrial surface company Dakor-Melamin which was more straight laced.

 

[smorgasbord]

Don't bother Cheese; these are statements by woodworkers who deep down inside, are envious of anybody with high-end tools. 

We're in an infinite loop:
1) Bent's channel is a great source of info
2) Actually, Bent is still learning himself
3) That's OK, Bent is aiming at novice woodworkers.
4) Actually, Bent raves about his $9300 sliding tablesaw in 3 separate videos - those aren't for novices
5) You're just jealous you don't have a $9300 sliding tablesaw
6) No, I'm just wishing that people putting themselves out there as experts really were experts. And there are some experts out there.
7) Bent doesn't need to be an expert because he's aiming at novice woodworkers.
8 ) Goto 3

A short stroke slider takes up the same space length ways because the same allowance for infeed and outfeed is the same as a cabinet saw.

Not necessarily. I use my workbench as an infeed support for my cabinet saw and have an assembly table for outfeed. With a slider, even the "short" 79" slider with 60" of travel those would be in the way, especially with the outrigger support.

 

[ChuckM]

My SawStop PCS has a foldable hinged outfeed table. The footprint is pretty much the same with or without the outfeed table. If I have to handle a 4x8 sheet (rarely), I use a portable roller stand at the front. Unlike a slider, I can move my PCS (on an ICS mobile base) freely in my shop -- with one hand, if I really want to.

 

[Crazyraceguy]

I think a lot of this is about personality, then content.
You can watch someone that you don't particularly like, if the message is what you are looking for, but it gets a little harder if you actively dislike them.
When it comes to one you do like, the content is not quite as motivating, you'll watch anyway.

The online woodworking community is pretty diverse as to their focus. Some are very tool oriented, displaying and reviewing , maybe demonstrating. They don't make all that much, at least for content. Though some seem to build some shop furniture or household stuff.

Others make very sophisticated things, that are out of reach of most viewers.
I watch Blacktail Studio, for example, but I would never pay 10k for a hardwood slab and then several thousand more in epoxy. Though I wouldn't be afraid to do it, if something like that came up at work.

Some do a mix. They might go a little deeper into a tool, now and then, but they are usually making things too. Sometimes they run off on some tangent, that may or may not interest their viewers. I think this is where "hit count" comes into play. If people like the tangent, they exploit it and often try to repeat it with something similar.

I do dislike most of them other than those such as Ishitani and the one I dislike most is a lady who started a channel with zero knowledge and went on to be very successful often using the knowledge of others because she did not know what she was doing. 

This just screams April Wilkerson to me. The first video I saw of hers was a narrow hall table, painted IIRC? that had fake drawer fronts, because she didn't know how to do any better. (her description) Her work was just to improve things in her own home. She worked in a small outbuilding, to stay away from her husband's motorcycles/cars, etc. It morphed into bigger and bigger, huge sponsorships, over 1 million subscribers. Now she has a large commercial building, at least half a dozen full-sheet CNC machines, all kinds of side projects along the way. I used to watch her a lot, but she jumped the shark (for me anyway) a long time ago.

As an aside, I don't particularly like Steve Ramsey, though I couldn't tell you why? He just strikes me funny, for some reason, I can't really define it.

Matt Cremona, on the other hand, seems to thread the needle well, though I could do with less of the giggling. He seems to hit all aspects, from cutting/hauling the logs, slabbing/drying, making actual furniture, remodeling a house, building a barn, the bandsaw mill. He throws in some machine restoration and a sponsored tool, now and then.

 

[cpw]

I watch Blacktail Studio, for example, but I would never pay 10k for a hardwood slab and then several thousand more in epoxy. Though I wouldn't be afraid to do it, if something like that came up at work.

He lost quite a bit of respect for me when he blamed his slab supplier for trapped moisture.  If you're selling a commission something that costs as much as he is charging, made of a natural and very variable material, it is on you to do your own due diligence before cutting it up.  Cam deciding to do a video just beat the owner of the lumber yard up over it was unnecessary.

 

[Lincoln]

I watch Blacktail Studio, for example, but I would never pay 10k for a hardwood slab and then several thousand more in epoxy. Though I wouldn't be afraid to do it, if something like that came up at work.

He lost quite a bit of respect for me when he blamed his slab supplier for trapped moisture.  If you're selling a commission something that costs as much as he is charging, made of a natural and very variable material, it is on you to do your own due diligence before cutting it up.  Cam deciding to do a video just beat the owner of the lumber yard up over it was unnecessary.

His 'fake apology' video was one of the silliest things I've seen. Appears to have a very high opinion of himself.

 

[festal]

From business perspective i can't blame them.  Their number one priority is growing their business.  All the flashy titles, clickbaits,etc are what youtube algorithm demands.  They oblige.  What I noticed is that slowly they realize that youtube can't provide sustainable business model so they try and see what sticks.  Some move to patreon to directly milk their subscribers which so far I have refused to do.  others do tool reviews, sponsorships, training courses.  They partner up with other youtubers and come up with some course. Some sell files that they create and showcase on their youtube channel as "if you buy this, you can sell thousands of them".  I'm slowly trying to grow my youtube channel and see what i can make of it, so watching them succeed and learning bits and pieces on how to do it is actually good learning for me.  Its not an easy job doing it full time.

 

[Cypren]

3) That's OK, Bent is aiming at novice woodworkers.
4) Actually, Bent raves about his $9300 sliding tablesaw in 3 separate videos - those aren't for novices

“Bent is aiming at novices” and “Bent shows off high end tools” are not contradictory. There are lots of novices who enjoy and strongly engage with “tool porn” videos drooling over very expensive things they don’t need and can’t afford, and there are others who are just curious to understand what differentiates high-end professional tools from the stuff they can get at the big box store. Plus lots of well-heeled novice hobbyists buy Festool and similar gear because they can afford it and enjoy the quality of life features, not because they’re working on demanding projects where nothing less will do. If you’re a retired dentist or a Silicon Valley programmer, spending $100k to outfit a workshop you don’t know how to use is probably just play money and you figure you’ll grow into it eventually.

I would venture to guess most members on this forum are not professional finish carpenters, so the concept of buying quality tools that exceed your skill level at using them is probably familiar for a lot of us.

 

[Muttley000]

Matt Cremona, on the other hand, seems to thread the needle well, though I could do with less of the giggling. He seems to hit all aspects, from cutting/hauling the logs, slabbing/drying, making actual furniture, remodeling a house, building a barn, the bandsaw mill. He throws in some machine restoration and a sponsored tool, now and then.

This is a channel I like and respect, along with a channel called cabinetwise.

 

[onocoffee]

There are lots of novices who enjoy and strongly engage with “tool porn” videos drooling over very expensive things they don’t need and can’t afford, and there are others who are just curious to understand what differentiates high-end professional tools from the stuff they can get at the big box store.

I don't disagree with you, and perhaps I either missed them, or just haven't seen them. But I don't recall seeing much of these types of videos - comparisons between big box brands and super high end (or at least medium high end for Hammer). Like I remember a video from 731 where he was saying that the Skil was The Best Budget Table Saw, but what was he comparing it to? Sure, he said it was square and that he liked the rack and pinon adjustment of the rail, and the low price - but why would I choose that over something else, like the CTS, or the SYS 50, or even the K3?

I would be very interested to see those kinds of comparisons - then I would have a better understanding of the advantages of the Skil and why I might want to spend a thousand plus dollars more for the SYS 50.

You know what I mean?

 

[krudawg]

Matt Cremona, on the other hand, seems to thread the needle well, though I could do with less of the giggling. He seems to hit all aspects, from cutting/hauling the logs, slabbing/drying, making actual furniture, remodeling a house, building a barn, the bandsaw mill. He throws in some machine restoration and a sponsored tool, now and then.

This is a channel I like and respect, along with a channel called cabinetwise.

Well Said

 

[krudawg]

Matt Cremona, on the other hand, seems to thread the needle well, though I could do with less of the giggling. He seems to hit all aspects, from cutting/hauling the logs, slabbing/drying, making actual furniture, remodeling a house, building a barn, the bandsaw mill. He throws in some machine restoration and a sponsored tool, now and then.

This is a channel I like and respect, along with a channel called cabinetwise.

Well Said

I bought one of this SKIL table saws to take up to the cabin and it is is very nice "Cheap" saw

 

[simonh]

Matt Cremona, on the other hand, seems to thread the needle well, though I could do with less of the giggling. He seems to hit all aspects, from cutting/hauling the logs, slabbing/drying, making actual furniture, remodeling a house, building a barn, the bandsaw mill. He throws in some machine restoration and a sponsored tool, now and then.

Matt's just living his best life and we're along for the ride. And he gives us all great cover for our own DIY projects that we can tell the wife that even the professional woodworkers take a year to reno a kitchen and need lots of big toys to do it   I sort of like this sort of stuff much more than the tool reviews or shop furniture.  I sort of like the storytelling like Jimmy DiResta graveyard house more than most of the woodworking stuff I started out watching. Maybe that's just my journey as at the start I wanted to be a 'woodworker' not a 'maker' but I've since realized that I'm just a maker whether its drystone walling, welding, oak framing, cabinetmaking or whatever I get more pleasure from making things in the house and garden than pure woodworking making furniture pieces.

 

[onocoffee]

I bought one of this SKIL table saws to take up to the cabin and it is is very nice "Cheap" saw

So how does it compare to the K3 Winner?

 

[ChuckM]

Snip.
Maybe that's just my journey as at the start I wanted to be a 'woodworker' not a 'maker' but I've since realized that I'm just a maker whether its drystone walling, welding, oak framing, cabinetmaking or whatever I get more pleasure from making things in the house and garden than pure woodworking making furniture pieces.

We all certainly can derive joy and satisfaction from activities in addition to the field or hobby of woodworking which we may be good at.

Recently, I tackled two plumbing jobs for the house, one outside my comfort zone, and drew immense satisfaction from their completion, not to mention the $700 saved. (I didn't know that the simple job of replacing the washing machine's valves could be so invasive and expensive! Luckily, I found a YT non-invasive solution that cost 90% less.)

In both cases, I found help from YouTube videos posted by some plumbers. Over the past several years, I've saved a couple thousand dollars by fixing things (electrical, car, garage door, etc.) based on YouTube inputs.

 

[woodferret]

I bought one of this SKIL table saws to take up to the cabin and it is is very nice "Cheap" saw

So how does it compare to the K3 Winner?

I've learned over the years, that only 1% of the people appreciate the answer to 'which is better' questions being 'it depends, what are your constraints'.  A) it requires deep reflection, B) it intimidates.  With something more disparate like Skil vs K3 vs CSC50 vs Sawstop it's bounds more difficult than say recommending a KSC60 vs KS120.  It's a big ask to pose that sort of question and expect a readily digestible answer or video. 

I don't know if the demand/request is innocent, or you know the effort it'd take to properly answer and are just trolling.

 

[onocoffee]

I don't know if the demand/request is innocent, or you know the effort it'd take to properly answer and are just trolling.

Certainly, I realize that the question between the Skil vs K3 is quite difficult - especially if one does not have a K3 for comparison.

In this particular case, I'm thinking of 731 who has touted both the Kobalt and Skil as being some of the very best budget table saws (with the Skil being the more recent crown). And as someone who is/was/is new to the table saw space, I am interested in learning about why the Skil could be a decent consideration versus something a bit more costly, like the SS CTS or SYS 50 (or even the DeWalt/Makita/Milwaukee offerings). Does one need to spend hundreds or thousands more? How much performance can one expect in comparison? The Skil may be "The King" of budget saws but does that mean it's only worthy if you consider the detrius at the same price point?

It is a sincere question and one that I was asking a few months ago when the 731 video was released and I didn't have a table saw.

I did, however, narrow it down to two choices: the SawStop CTS and SYS 50. The CTS won out mainly because I found a great deal on a used one nearby.

But I'm still curious today to know the difference.

*Oh, and uh, the question you reference is because Krudawg says he has the Skil and he lists owning a K3 in his profile at the bottom of the post.