Best screws for cabinet making..

Ok, I'll admit the useful applications are limited, but when installing my ceiling, I was able to drive a screw, leave my driver in the screw suspended from the ceiling, get my next screw, position it, then grab my driver and sink the next screw.  And so on.  Yes, I had to be careful letting go of the driver so in fact it would have been slower than putting it back on my belt, but I only had one hand available because the other was holding up the ceiling!

Chris, I'm gonna say it first and probably take some flak for my remark, but that is stupid.  That's bound to land on somebody's head or face eventually or a pet possibly and where the bit winds up can only make it worse.  When doing ceilings, if you can, make or use something to assist you or get a helper.
 
Jesse Cloud said:
Not to hijack the thread, but has anyone out there ever had a cabinet fall off the wall?   
I'm not a cabinetmaker, but I have abused and overloaded lots of cabinets and never had one come loose...

Exactly!  I use square drive bits with auger points and nibs to install all of my cabinets and have yet to see one sag, let alone fall off the wall.  And I install cabinets for a living.  Pay the extra $ if it makes you feel better...

Jon
 
Chris, I'm gonna say it first and probably take some flak for my remark, but that is stupid.  That's bound to land on somebody's head or face eventually or a pet possibly and where the bit winds up can only make it worse.  When doing ceilings, if you can, make or use something to assist you or get a helper.
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No flak from me.  There were no other people or animals around and I felt comfortable doing it.  Sure, it was a risk, but I wanted to see if I could do it.  I did it once, and that was enough.
 
Ken Nagrod said:
Ok, I'll admit the useful applications are limited, but when installing my ceiling, I was able to drive a screw, leave my driver in the screw suspended from the ceiling, get my next screw, position it, then grab my driver and sink the next screw.  And so on.  Yes, I had to be careful letting go of the driver so in fact it would have been slower than putting it back on my belt, but I only had one hand available because the other was holding up the ceiling!

Chris, I'm gonna say it first and probably take some flak for my remark, but that is stupid.  That's bound to land on somebody's head or face eventually or a pet possibly and where the bit winds up can only make it worse.  When doing ceilings, if you can, make or use something to assist you or get a helper.

I agree with Ken on this one.  There are holsters specifically for impact drivers that resolve the issue quite handily - and safely. 

[smile]
 
waho6o9 said:
Nancy Bevacco

FASTENPRO

6001 Burgundy Ave

Alta Loma. CA 91737

909 944 3944

909 989 5177 fax
fastenpro@hotmail.com

I just received my GRKs from Fastenpros.  Quick service and a great product, and they have alot of different GRKs.  Nancy is great to deal with.  Good luck.  [big grin]

That is a residential address??
 
MacMitch said:
Well I want be using nails to hold up any of my cabinets, thats for sure. The RSS screws may even come into play for the heavy loads, or if I decide the RSS is just a better all purpose screw for me, which is quite possible. Although the Cabinet screws might come in handy for holding down HDPE (plastic) on dog kennel frames and table tops.

Is anyone using the FIN/Trim or RT's? I got some RT's for use in composite deck but have not gotten much chance to use them yet due to cold & ice here. Although the Kameleons do have a couple differences in the tread/head design they appear to be designed to function much like the RT's but with color options. I love my Hitachi 15g nail gun but I realize the limitations of the straight brad/nail.

I will probably have R4 and RSS screws on hand for construction jobs. The Top Star is fascinating for door installs, eliminating shims would be very nice. Although I have used quite a few Tapcons type concrete screws I have not found them to be reliable at holding in either cinder block or concrete walls. I got a small container of Caliburns and will be using them to lock down some 6x6 posts on concrete that are next to a new door, so I should at least get an idea of how easy they are to use with my T15 drill.

No one has mentioned using Pan heads either, pocket holes or drawer slides maybe? The threads look to be somewhere between Kreg coarse & fine threads, closer to coarse, which I hear some people use exclusively for pocket holes.

I use GRK's almost exclusively now, I love em...  Yes they're more expensive, but I've never had one stip, break, twist, etc.  once I factor the time and money related to those issues, then they are about on par, price wise, with their cheaper competition. 

I use the RSS' for cabinet box assembly, and general use. 

The R4's are a special screw, they are one of the few screws on the market that have a structural rating for shear strength (a typical screw's fatal flaw).  I've had engineers approve them for use on laminated beams, posts and structural saddle installations, so an upper cabinet shouldn't be an issue for it.  Overkill, maybe, but what's an extra $1 worth of screws on the entire price of a kitchen install. I personally use the FastCap cabinet screws to hang the cabinets as I can plug the hole easier.

I've found that I never use the trim heads, instead I only use the screw for composite decking, it leaves the same size hole, and it has way more holding power.  With the reverse thread you can actually sink the head into trim and then reverse the screw 1/4 to 3/4 of a turn to force a joint tight or to move the trim slightly.  It's awesome. 

Caliburn's are by far the best concrete screw I've used, I've almost stopped using Hilti anchor bolts.

I haven't used the Topstars, I keep looking into them, but not sold on them yet... they'd leave one hell of a big hole though.
 
tDot,
Glad to know..
"I've found that I never use the trim heads, instead I only use the screw for composite decking, it leaves the same size hole, and it has way more holding power.  With the reverse thread you can actually sink the head into trim and then reverse the screw 1/4 to 3/4 of a turn to force a joint tight or to move the trim slightly.  It's awesome."
....I bought two 5lb boxes of the RT-Composite screws to put down some Choice Decking but ended up doing the job with my Hitachi 15g nailer, which leaves holes that end up almost undetectable. I guess I will keep them instead of returning them. Unless I return one box for a box of the RSS or Cabinet screws. I have some Caliburns and R4's too.

I am thinking about using the RSS and or Cabinet screws to attach HDPE plastic to wood for a couple other projects I have in the works.
 
I'll jump in. I hang a lot of cabinets, and I use robertson's with type-17 tips. They work great, I've not seen GRK's up in Canada, the Robertson's are getting harder to find too. I also use the Fastcap screws on the BIG uppers, or where the framers's left out studs (happens more than you care to know)
 
Texastutt said:
I'll jump in. I hang a lot of cabinets, and I use robertson's with type-17 tips. They work great, I've not seen GRK's up in Canada, the Robertson's are getting harder to find too. I also use the Fastcap screws on the BIG uppers, or where the framers's left out studs (happens more than you care to know)

Since seeing this thread I have tried to find GRK's too. The funny thing is they are a Canadian company located in Thunder Bay! Check out their website for retailers. In Ottawa they are carried by Fastenal. I have  yet to ask at the Home Depot although they are not on the shelf there.

My favourite screws have been Robertsons. Robertson was from my hometown so I am a little biased.

Brad
 
Hi,

I like the GRKs a lot.  So far the best place I have found to get them online is http://www.buygrkfasteners.com/.    I did not have good luck with Build Online , too much stuff out of stock and too much waiting for it to be shipped seperately.

Seth

srs
 
O.K., I've looked them up and Yes they are available at Fastenal, so I will have to give Amber (my sales rep) a call on Monday
 
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