Bevel up smoother?

Spot on Rick!!

His PM's resulted in me forking out for this little set up

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So that has set me back about £2,000. [scared] [eek]

I think he is actually a Festool "agent provocateur" or maybe a Festool mystery shopper but being tight he gets everyone else to buy the stuff.  [tongue] [big grin]

 
Last week, I ordered this. In a way, it's the opposite of the low angle jack plane. With the low angle jack, a 4 1/2 smoother, a block plane and the scraper plane, I reckon I have 99% of all planing requirements covered.

Addicted to Festool and Lie Nielsen. Ouch.

http://www.lie-nielsen.com/catalog.php?sku=112
 
woodguy7 said:
Me & Thomas Lie Nielson Have a wee understanding  [tongue]

Only joking, i love his tools  [big grin]
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Me, too!
Congratulations Rick.
A big #5 1/2 bench plane is on my list and Woodguy doesn't even have to PM me. Although, I am comforted in the fact that he knows a good deal is not always the cheapest.
I have the 4 1/2 bench planebut for larger panels I would prefer a plane with a wider mouth.
And while I am at it I love the 60 1/2 low angle adjustable block plane, it's a joy to use on end grain.
But the more John posts of those Marcou's etc. I am thinking I need one of those.
Tim
 
Richard Leon said:
Last week, I ordered this. In a way, it's the opposite of the low angle jack plane. With the low angle jack, a 4 1/2 smoother, a block plane and the scraper plane, I reckon I have 99% of all planing requirements covered.

Addicted to Festool and Lie Nielsen. Ouch.

http://www.lie-nielsen.com/catalog.php?sku=112
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Richard:
Let us know how you like it.
I was looking at a scraper plane (I like the finish a scraper gives) but I did read somewhere that they can be difficult to set up.
Tim
 
Richard,

Don't worry about the #112 scraper plane as it is a no-brainer to set up and use.  I bought an antique Stanley #112 in the early 1990s which was in pretty good condition but came with a Kunz blade.  I fooled around with that thing for years trying to get the correct bend in the blade to mimic the way I bend a hand card scraper.

When Lie-Nielsen came out with their #112 almost ten years ago, I bought their replacement blade and was surprised it was so thick that it could never be bent.

To set the blade, I hone it to 45 degrees and think I cambered the corners to keep them from digging in.  The angle is set around 75 to 80 degrees (about 15 degrees from vertical) before setting the blade because change the angle can affect the amount of blade that sticks through the sole.  Then I slip the blade in at this  steep angle with a very thin piece of paper under the plane and press the plane as hard as I can against the bench before tightening the blade.  This results in the barest amount of blade sticking out from the plane.  Some people just set the blade without the sheet of paper and tap the top of the blade with a hammer.

Once set, the scraper just works.  The LN blades keeps an edge a really long time.  Consider having two blades (I don't yet), one for chipping off dried glue and one for the fine work.  For fine work, I wax the sole of the plane.  This scraper design is easy on the hands.  It is really just the Stanley #12 two-handed scraper with a smoothing plane handle, but the handle makes all the difference.  This is one of Stanley's better designs and is easy to use.

If I didn't have the old Stanley, I'd buy the LN. 

 
Gary, 

I think you were replying to Tim, but I appreciate the reply too!

I never had much use for a scraper, but recently I have been doing a lot of inlay work on table legs which means the grain is going in all different directions when you plane it flush. When I used a regular smoothing plane, I was suffering some tear-out, even when the plane blade was honed to a ridiculous sharpness.

I use a block plane to bring the inlaid wood close to flush and then a scraper to get me to the finish line. But after a few scrapes, the hands start to ache, the blade gets hot, etc etc., so I went for a scraper plane. It will also leave a flat surface, unlike a hand-held scraper which can leave a concave surface if you are not careful.

I think I will do a review of the plane when I get it.

There are also two excellent videos on youtube by Lie Nielsen about the scraper plane- its setup and use.

Scraping Planes Part 1: Types and Setup

Scraping Planes Part 2

 
Richard, yes I was responding to Tim!

Last year I started making Federal style inlaid furniture legs and had the same issues.  When possible, I don't use a hand held card scraper due to the heat the the fact that I have increasing arthritis in my thumbs.  For the card scraper I bought the Lee Valley black and brass card holder which lets you set the amount of bend and hold it.  This is a great tool at a low price and can hold the Sandvik, Bahco and LN scraper blades as well as the ones from LV.

For highly critical scraping jobs on long pieces, I have the Paul Hamler scraper insert in a Stanley Bedrock 606 plane.  Paul's insert provides more adjustability than most people think a scraper deserves and the 18-inch plane keeps the surface from getting concave dips in it.

The scraper insert can be seen about 3/4 of the way down this page:

http://hamlertools.blogspot.com/

A review can be seen here:

http://www.popularwoodworking.com/woodworking-blogs/chris-schwarz-blog/hamler-scraper-inserts-the-last-batch-for-a-while
 
GaryLaroff said:
Richard, yes I was responding to Tim!

Last year I started making Federal style inlaid furniture legs and had the same issues.  When possible, I don't use a hand held card scraper due to the heat the the fact that I have increasing arthritis in my thumbs.  For the card scraper I bought the Lee Valley black and brass card holder which lets you set the amount of bend and hold it.  This is a great tool at a low price and can hold the Sandvik, Bahco and LN scraper blades as well as the ones from LV.

For highly critical scraping jobs on long pieces, I have the Paul Hamler scraper insert in a Stanley Bedrock 606 plane.  Paul's insert provides more adjustability than most people think a scraper deserves and the 18-inch plane keeps the surface from getting concave dips in it.

The scraper insert can be seen about 3/4 of the way down this page:

http://hamlertools.blogspot.com/

A review can be seen here:

http://www.popularwoodworking.com/woodworking-blogs/chris-schwarz-blog/hamler-scraper-inserts-the-last-batch-for-a-while
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Federal-style inlaid legs- me too!
 
Gary, Richard:
Thanks a lot, you guys are terrible! You really aren't helping me here...now I have to add a Lie Nielsen card scraper to my list, dang.
Tim
 
Tim Raleigh said:
Gary, Richard:
Thanks a lot, you guys are terrible! You really aren't helping me here...now I have to add a Lie Nielsen card scraper to my list, dang.
Tim
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Do you mean a scraper plane? Card scrapers are the same everywhere for about $15.

The list grows longer...
 
woodguy7 said:
The Lie Nielson low angle smoother excells for end grain on the shooting board also.
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I also love Lie-Nielsen tools, and have several of them. The quality is top notch.

On my wish list is the #51 shooting board plane, anyone here have any experience with this plane, or the original Stanley #51?

1-51_lg.jpg
 
This is what I ordered my scraper plane for.

i) Inlay running perpendicular and parallel to the grain.
ii) A little bit of glue squeeze-out here and there.
iii) Ribbon sapele with a wild grain pattern.

I don't think you can tackle this with any sander, or bench plane. And since I have eight of these legs inlaid on all four sides, a scraper plane seemed to be the best option.

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Peter, thanks for that link.  Good article  [thumbs up]

Nice legs Richard  [tongue]

Oh Guy, you didnt need much of a push to get the Kapex & stand though eh, a slight breeze would have tipped you over that edge  [tongue]
 
woodguy7 said:
Nice legs Richard  [tongue]
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I hope this isn't referring to me in a kilt again  [ban] ...and incidentally, only my mother calls me Richard  [wink]

Rick
 
Ha Ha, dont flatter yourself, i was actually refering to Mr Leons table legs  [poke]
 
woodguy7 said:
Ha Ha, dont flatter yourself, i was actually refering to Mr Leons table legs  [poke]
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Lucky for you. In which case I'll happily agree; I'd like to see more of that piece, if possible Richard? It looks lovely.
 
Hi,

In response to the posts above, I made a video of me using the scraper plane to level some inlay. It's not the best video, but fortunately my legs are not featured! I hope it shows how efficient and easy the Lie Nielsen scraper plane is to use.

Lie Nielsen Scraper Plane

 
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