Bluetooth at ct15e

[JINRO]

Someone in this forum posted a method to add Bluetooth capability with BT outlet switch

 

[NiteWalkerGR]

The midi includes one anti-static suction hose 27mm × 3.5m (1 1/6" × 11'6") with angle-rotating adapter on the extractor side. The hose for the CT15 is now also anti-static.

The midi I bought earlier this year had the newer 27/32mm hose with a straight connector at the vac end.

 

[ChuckM]

In Europe there is a "Set" package for the CT15 which includes (the contents of) the small cleaning set for a small price increase. There is no such offer for the CT MIDI.https://www.festool.de/produkte/saugen/absaugmobile/577415---ct-15-e-set

The price Tobiasz listed for the CT15 seems to include those tubes while his CT MIDI price is for the bare tool. The bare tool CT15 can be had for under $/€ 300 in Germany. Which is a great price, all things considered.
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OK. Now it's clear to me that we were not comparing apples to apples in terms of prices. If a MIDI were really that cheap compared to a CT15, who would buy the latter?

 

[Tobiasz]

In Europe there is a "Set" package for the CT15 which includes (the contents of) the small cleaning set for a small price increase. There is no such offer for the CT MIDI.https://www.festool.de/produkte/saugen/absaugmobile/577415---ct-15-e-set

The price Tobiasz listed for the CT15 seems to include those tubes while his CT MIDI price is for the bare tool. The bare tool CT15 can be had for under $/€ 300 in Germany. Which is a great price, all things considered.
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OK. Now it's clear to me that we were not comparing apples to apples in terms of prices. If a MIDI were really that cheap compared to a CT15, who would buy the latter?

Yep that's right.
The midi I'm referring to is pure base with this
anti static hose Ø 27/32 x 3,5 m-AS/CT
Some bag SELFCLEAN SC-FIS-CT MINI/MIDI-2
Sys Dock at top for containers

No tubes (but I think that will be around 20usd addon) its already had bluetooth in it (remote can be bought later ) Hard to decide.
And not sure will automatic socket work with my mafell mt55cc?

 

[mino]

OK. Now it's clear to me that we were not comparing apples to apples in terms of prices. If a MIDI were really that cheap compared to a CT15, who would buy the latter?

The same folks who bought the CT 17 before ... actually the CT15 is a way better deal than the old Nilfisk OEM CT17.

Also, you may not be aware, but it is illegal to manufacture and sell (home use) vacs with more than 700W power in the EU ... so a LOT of CT 15/CT MINI sales now go for home use. That is why the SET was introduced is my guess. It includes the essentials for using the vac in home out of the box.

I myself plan to get the CT15 next year. Will swap the bottom with my CT MINI bottom, so will get a minimum-size CT15 at home and a CT MIDI in shop. For home use I do not need the hose garage and never fill the bag before needing to replace it (smell from decomposing fats). So the "CT15 MINI" will do well here while I will "free" a CT MIDI for shop use.

I may*) still go CTLC MINI instead for home use, but the size of a MINImized CT15 is tempting.

*) The only thing bothering me about the CTL MINI for home is the cable not retracting, a CTLC could fix that but at a bigger footprint.

 

[Tobiasz]

OK. Now it's clear to me that we were not comparing apples to apples in terms of prices. If a MIDI were really that cheap compared to a CT15, who would buy the latter?

The same folks who bought the CT 17 before ... actually the CT15 is a way better deal than the old Nilfisk OEM CT17.

Also, you may not be aware, but it is illegal to manufacture and sell (home use) vacs with more than 700W power in the EU ... so a LOT of CT 15/CT MINI sales now go for home use. That is why the SET was introduced is my guess. It includes the essentials for using the vac in home out of the box.

I myself plan to get the CT15 next year. Will swap the bottom with my CT MINI bottom, so will get a minimum-size CT15 at home and a CT MIDI in shop. For home use I do not need the hose garage and never fill the bag before needing to replace it (smell from decomposing fats). So the "CT15 MINI" will do well here while I will "free" a CT MIDI for shop use.

I may*) still go CTLC MINI instead for home use, but the size of a MINImized CT15 is tempting.

*) The only thing bothering me about the CTL MINI for home is the cable not retracting, a CTLC could fix that but at a bigger footprint.

There's an size difference between those units?

 

[mino]

There's an size difference between those units?

The battery vacs have the battery compartment on the back. Making them deeper. Plus one needs to dedicate some space for the chargers.

And the CT15 does not have a hose garage, Instead has just a small storage space for accessories. So when one has no use for it - like at home - it is more convenient than the MINI/MIDI series.

 

[Tobiasz]

Ok guys I think that this is the moment that topic is already done. This is a special day for me before Christmas, because my family is going to get a new member. When she arrive I will call her midi Just ordered base model with 3.5m antistatic hose, without those fancy tubes but will get them later. This is going to be my first festool in home so I hope its worth. Probably get it around wednesday when DHL arrive. Thanks for your help hands in this topic. Stay safe.

 

[Tobiasz]

Guys what kind of bags you recommend so I will not bankrupt

 

[JINRO]

I use reusable long life bag but some will oppose to using it for dust bomb when you try to empty it I hooked up Dust Deputy and hasn't emptied it for about a year. I strongly recommend you look into some kind of dust separartor

 

[mino]

Guys what kind of bags you recommend so I will not bankrupt

50% value of the Festool vacs is you can use the Festool bags. Do not even think of "3rd party" bags. It loses the point of buying a FT vac in the first place.

As for "not going bankrupt", first, check the bags cost on idealo.de ... the prices in Germany tend to be way more reasonable than in CZ/PL ...

Second, if on a low budget, you can empty the normal, non-reusable bag about 2-3 times if you cut it open and then re-seal the bag.

Just make sure to NOT use the "clean" lever in the CT Midi when you have a bag inside it. The shaking damages the bags and they leak more afterwards. It is also completely unneccessary with the Self-Clean bags. The manual clean lever is only practical for bag-less operation (advise against that too for wood).

Third, a cyclone is the way to go, as mentioned.

As for long-life bags. I would advise against buying it for general usage where you generate micro-dust from sanding. The long-life bags are not really meant to catch such. Much better to invest the money in a cyclone and stick to normal "fresh" bags.

In Europe, IMO the cheapest way is buying the cyclone unit from the Festool CT-VA as a spare part (see part# in eKat) and rigging a box and bucket around it.

If you were in US, the Oneida DD is the go-to for value/price.

 

[Coen]

Just make sure to NOT use the "clean" lever in the CT Midi when you have a bag inside it. The shaking damages the bags and they leak more afterwards. It is also completely unneccessary with the Self-Clean bags.

After using the lever... suction is often increased massively...

 

[Coen]

Guys what kind of bags you recommend so I will not bankrupt

The original bags, if need be bought in bulk at the cheapest place. What mino said about pricing applies in NL too. Online pricing on Dutch side of the border for 456870 (5 bags for the CTL 22) is ~56 euros, in Germany I can get them for 23 euros.

I use reusable long life bag but some will oppose to using it for dust bomb when you try to empty it I hooked up Dust Deputy and hasn't emptied it for about a year. I strongly recommend you look into some kind of dust separartor

Yeah, long life might apply to the bag, not to it's "user".

 

[Coen]

Same here. The major price difference is between a CT15 and a MIDI. The CT15 costs almost half less, and remains the best choice for those who don't need BT (the hose garage and foot brake offer insignificant benefits as compared to the BT).

Frankly, if someone asks me, I'd recommend getting two CT15s over one MIDI, and placing one CT15 nearby where dust extraction is needed in lieu of using BT. Even the CT26 doesn't come with BT, and you need to pay extra if you want it.

Ct15 - 352 usd
MIDI - 466 usd without plastic pipes (I will borrow them from wife old extractor if I will decide)
Mini 440 usd with pipes

All in $ Cdn
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The midi includes one anti-static suction hose 27mm × 3.5m (1 1/6" × 11'6") with angle-rotating adapter on the extractor side. The hose for the CT15 is now also anti-static.

CT-15 with AS hose??? but still definitely not the smooth one. The price difference on the other side of the Atlantic keeps surprising me. CT-15 to CT-Midi I is going from 320 euros to 440 euro's here. The hose alone makes that worth it.

 

[ChuckM]

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CT-15 with AS hose??? but still definitely not the smooth one. The price difference on the other side of the Atlantic keeps surprising me. CT-15 to CT-Midi I is going from 320 euros to 440 euro's here. The hose alone makes that worth it.

Correct. The anti-static hose for the CT15 is a ribbed one, not the one with a smooth outer skin, which may matter to those who use a tracksaw. My CT15 (almost 2 years old) came with a non-AS hose. I've been using it for sanding, mortising (DF500) and general cleaning, and the lack of the AS feature hasn't posed any issues for me so far.

 

[mino]

Just make sure to NOT use the "clean" lever in the CT Midi when you have a bag inside it. The shaking damages the bags and they leak more afterwards. It is also completely unneccessary with the Self-Clean bags.

After using the lever... suction is often increased massively...

Absolutely ... and it damages the bag so it will lose its filtration ability. This is important if one wants to re-use the normal bags *), or if one uses them with a  cyclone.

I found out the hard way - a friend borrowed my CTM 36AC and did the AC shake a couple times, with the best of intentions being used to do that on his €100 Makita ... I had to replace the almost-empty bag and eventually the microfilter. The paper one does not like the shakes either. Found out about it by wondering why the wall next to the vac is suddenly all misty-dusty ...
What I found is enough to restore suction with the CTM 36 is to stop the work as the "crust" of dust falls down with its own weight and suction again OK. But CT26/36 have a bigger filter area, so can imagine the CT Mini/Midi series are not as great on this.

Also, the manual clean is definitely less violent than AC. So if one does not re-use the bags it may be OK. Though I would still do it only on the lowest power setting and as gently as possible.

*) income in PL/CZ is about 1/3 the one in NL .. so imagine the cheapest bags were €70 equiv in NL and how the option of bag re-use would become more tempting ..

 

[NiteWalkerGR]

Guys what kind of bags you recommend so I will not bankrupt

Stick with OEM, they're worth it.
If you think you'll go through a lot of bags, invest in a cyclone separator. Festool CT VA if you need your setup to stay mobile and compact, otherwise the dust deputy is a better performer at separation.

 

[Tobiasz]

It's just came up the door. What a piece of work is this it's looks and work super

 

[NiteWalkerGR]

Congrats.
I know it seems odd to get excited about a dust extractor, but when you put it to use, you'll wonder why you waited so long.

 

[Tobiasz]

Congrats.
I know it seems odd to get excited about a dust extractor, but when you put it to use, you'll wonder why you waited so long.

Thanks. I know, but it's still impressive piece of execution in terms of build and material quality, as well as the amount of dust it's suck with my mt55.
Are those green clamps in corners for some sort of old type systainers? I also wonder about that cable holder at back - one part seems to have some rotate feature, what's the purpose if that ?