Bosch to Compete Against Saw Stop
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Rick Christopherson said:
What Rick said, it's either a nominal rating or some unrealistic application. Example, some companies rate torque on their drill /drivers by throwing a HUGE self feed bit on it, drill into something SUPER hard, bind the tool up and measure the torque at the point the drill is about to rip your wrist apart and your shoulder out of the socket. And there ya go, max torque. Not usable per se
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I wanted to chime in again and just say that I think this is awesome. I don't mind the price, and I love the tech. I think it's brilliant that you can reset and get back to work if you happen to trip the saw.
I hope to see more innovations like this.
I hope to see more innovations like this.
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i got a real look at the saw today and it seems very nice.. largely based on the bosch 4100.. it is around 78lbs saw only and i think the guy said around 130lbs with the stand. the internals do seem quite beefy so im sure it it will hold up quite well to a discharge.
in the video you will notice that the saw actually misfires the first time he goes to make a cut it fired when it hit the wood and not the hot dog.. maybe it was wet from the hot dog or something.. he seemed a little thrown off and surprised about it so it probably hadn't happened to him before. also these are obviously pre production models with the planned fall release so im sure they have some kinks to iron out
he fire it up a second time and it works excellent. its amazing how fast you can change the cartridge and get back to work
enjoy guys
in the video you will notice that the saw actually misfires the first time he goes to make a cut it fired when it hit the wood and not the hot dog.. maybe it was wet from the hot dog or something.. he seemed a little thrown off and surprised about it so it probably hadn't happened to him before. also these are obviously pre production models with the planned fall release so im sure they have some kinks to iron out
he fire it up a second time and it works excellent. its amazing how fast you can change the cartridge and get back to work
enjoy guys
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NERemodeling said:
Actually, it never even got to the wood yet. Something else caused it to misfire. It could have been the splitter that touched the blade. Things do tend to go awry at trade shows, so it's probably not that big of a deal.
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It seemed to happen just when the plastic guard touched the food.
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jafenske said:
Yes. A regular 8" dado stack is supported and does not require a speciall cartridge.
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As Bosch says, the 4100 REAXX saw is an improved 4100 -09. The most obvious improvement is the "flesh detecting drop down'. But, there is at least one other improvement. The fence on the 4100 -09 is kind of finicky to set properly whereas the 4100 REAXX saw's fence is obviously easier to set (and appears to me to be a little bit larger).
Can anyone spot any other improvements?
Can anyone spot any other improvements?
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What was that? Oh ... that's the sound of sausages all around the world letting out a united sigh of relief. Safe at last! [big grin]
To me the good thing here is that regulators can now intelligently mandate a capability rather than a proprietary product (which has always been my beef in this area).
It's going to be interesting to watch the market now ... I can see a bit of rebadging happening soon!
To me the good thing here is that regulators can now intelligently mandate a capability rather than a proprietary product (which has always been my beef in this area).
It's going to be interesting to watch the market now ... I can see a bit of rebadging happening soon!
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Paul G said:
Except of course eliminating a large percentage of the estimated $2.6Billion/yr in medical costs for TS accidents...in the USA alone.
Seat Belts are mandated
Shatter-Proof glass is mandated
Hearing protection is mandated
Helmets are mandated (construction)
Etc, Etc....
I DO see the benefits of mandating safety technology...especially for products and conditions that have been clearly identified as being problems. Table saws fit this bill in spades.
Frank
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There is , also, a side extension similar to that outfeed extension available for the 4100 saw. I have had both extensions on my saw for over a year now.
http://www.amazon.ca/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=bosch%20extension%20table%20for%20saw
http://www.amazon.ca/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=bosch%20extension%20table%20for%20saw
Has anyone seen a test on the Bosch or SawStop that represents someone reaching across the blade to get a cut off piece of wood as often happens in these injuries. I've always seen it demonstrated laying on a piece of wood and being fed into the saw. I'm sure it would work pretty much the same, just wondering if the nick would change much in severity if your finger went more rapidly into the blade as in the normal course of work.
Chris...
Chris...
Having had three firings on my 5 HP Industrial SS (one due to multiple quick power fades, one due to trying to cut some copper clad laminate and forgetting to lock out the trigger, and one due to touching the aluminum mitre fence) I have to say that the claims of people saying the SS destroys the blades, is false.
I use good quality, industrial (Onsrud, FS Tool, BC Saw & Tool, Forest) full kerf blades. I have triggered the saw twice on the same blade and other than one slightly chipped tooth which was a few bbucks to replace on the next sharpening, the blades were still true and back on the saw cutting within a few minutes.
The Bosch cartridge is still going to cost $$ to replace after 2 firings as well. You wont get something for nothing.
I like the competition. The more saws like this on the market for those who do want the technology, the better. But I dont think, after over a decade in business Sawstop will suddenly be put out of business, as they make a very good saw.
I run a professional cabinet and custom woodworking shop with myself and 2 employees. Been in full time business since I took over from my father in 97' and I grew up in the business since starting to work as a young teen in the early 80's.
I have seen a few very serious (lost fingers) saw accidents. I dont want any of my guys, nor either of my two sons to go through that, even a small accident never mind several amputated fingers.
Accidents can happen to the best of "us". Having been through several shops over my career, I always look to see who's got all ten digits and there is always a surprising # who do not, unfortunatley. Why fight a good technological advance? It just might save you, or one of your employees hands.
If I could get the technology on my $20,000 panel saw, I would have bought it as well. Saws are still IMO the prevelant danger in the custom woodshop. Since they are called upon to do many tasks other than just straight cutting.
Andrew J Coholic
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(PS I do have a bunch of Festool stuff too, I just dont post much).
I use good quality, industrial (Onsrud, FS Tool, BC Saw & Tool, Forest) full kerf blades. I have triggered the saw twice on the same blade and other than one slightly chipped tooth which was a few bbucks to replace on the next sharpening, the blades were still true and back on the saw cutting within a few minutes.
The Bosch cartridge is still going to cost $$ to replace after 2 firings as well. You wont get something for nothing.
I like the competition. The more saws like this on the market for those who do want the technology, the better. But I dont think, after over a decade in business Sawstop will suddenly be put out of business, as they make a very good saw.
I run a professional cabinet and custom woodworking shop with myself and 2 employees. Been in full time business since I took over from my father in 97' and I grew up in the business since starting to work as a young teen in the early 80's.
I have seen a few very serious (lost fingers) saw accidents. I dont want any of my guys, nor either of my two sons to go through that, even a small accident never mind several amputated fingers.
Accidents can happen to the best of "us". Having been through several shops over my career, I always look to see who's got all ten digits and there is always a surprising # who do not, unfortunatley. Why fight a good technological advance? It just might save you, or one of your employees hands.
If I could get the technology on my $20,000 panel saw, I would have bought it as well. Saws are still IMO the prevelant danger in the custom woodshop. Since they are called upon to do many tasks other than just straight cutting.
Andrew J Coholic
Joe Coholic Custom Furniture Ltd.
(PS I do have a bunch of Festool stuff too, I just dont post much).
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It's always nice to hear the voice of reason...
Thank you!
Tom
Thank you!
Tom
Yeah, I have all my fingers, but don't turn down any safety mechanism period and especially on a table saw. I've had a couple of close calls over the years and they were the result of a loss of concentration or distraction or a sudden random event with the wood or just a human mistake. As I get older, I know my reaction time is not quite as fast as it used to be and the next close call might just be the one where I don't recover in time.
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