Can hobbist buy and spray pre-catalyzed lacquer on site?

[usatu]

I recently bought a fuji q4 HVLP spray gun and plan to spray all the kitchen cabinets, trims and doors. After reading lots of reviews and posts, I plan to use pre-catalyzed lacquer for the smooth finishing. But it looks like they don't sell these products to the public without business. I tried ML campbell and Chemcraft. Even the guy from SW told me that he wouldn't sell the kem aqua to me. He has the concern of over spraying as I mentioned that I will do it in the garage with a fan. I am pretty confused that I saw many videos on youtube as ppl spray lacquer in the kitchen and bathroom.  They don't seem to have that kind of problems.

Can you please shed the lights for me what I need to do to get the product and spray safely? Is my only option to spray BM advance at this point?

Thanks so much for your suggestions!

 

[tjbnwi]

In your situation please use only waterborne products. You are not set up to shoot solvent based products.

I shoot KA+ in the shop and finished homes. It's all in the prep.

I see no reason SW will not sell you KA+.

Where are you located?

Tom

 

[usatu]

Thanks Tom. I am in Philly suburb. Looks like home stores around me don't carry this product so they gave me a number for chem center (can't remember exactly). It sounds really odd to me that the concern is I over spray the product to everywhere including ceiling, counter top and etc. instead of explosion. What can I do if he refuses to sell the product [sad]? Guess my last resort is BM advance. .

 

[tjbnwi]

Thanks Tom. I am in Philly suburb. Looks like home stores around me don't carry this product so they gave me a number for chem center (can't remember exactly). It sounds really odd to me that the concern is I over spray the product to everywhere including ceiling, counter top and etc. instead of explosion. What can I do if he refuses to sell the product [sad]? Guess my last resort is BM advance. .

With an HVLP there is minimal overspray, easily contained.

Are you certain there concern is overspray? Maybe they did not explain their concern well.

Check with BM for Lenmar Dura Laq. (BM owns Lenmar)
http://www.lenmar-coatings.com/category-listing/pro/waterbornefinishsystems

Tom

 

[peter halle]

Thanks Tom. I am in Philly suburb. Looks like home stores around me don't carry this product so they gave me a number for chem center (can't remember exactly). It sounds really odd to me that the concern is I over spray the product to everywhere including ceiling, counter top and etc. instead of explosion. What can I do if he refuses to sell the product [sad]? Guess my last resort is BM advance. .

With an HVLP there is minimal overspray, easily contained.

Are you certain there concern is overspray? Maybe they did not explain their concern well.

Check with BM for Lenmar Dura Laq. (BM owns Lenmar)
http://www.lenmar-coatings.com/category-listing/pro/waterbornefinishsystems

Tom

Tom,

My local BM store just started carrying the Lenmar.  When I asked about it I was told that they couldn't sell to me although they know that I am a business.  I haven't followed up to see if that is really true or just what is told to the general public due to VOC and safety issues.

Peter

 

[tjbnwi]

Thanks Tom. I am in Philly suburb. Looks like home stores around me don't carry this product so they gave me a number for chem center (can't remember exactly). It sounds really odd to me that the concern is I over spray the product to everywhere including ceiling, counter top and etc. instead of explosion. What can I do if he refuses to sell the product [sad]? Guess my last resort is BM advance. .

With an HVLP there is minimal overspray, easily contained.

Are you certain there concern is overspray? Maybe they did not explain their concern well.

Check with BM for Lenmar Dura Laq. (BM owns Lenmar)
http://www.lenmar-coatings.com/category-listing/pro/waterbornefinishsystems

Tom

Tom,

My local BM store just started carrying the Lenmar.  When I asked about it I was told that they couldn't sell to me although they know that I am a business.  I haven't followed up to see if that is really true or just what is told to the general public due to VOC and safety issues.

Peter

Check with them specifically about Dura-Laq (waterbourne). The TDS and SDS show it to be as safe as any paint they sell. I walked into a local dealer asked them about Dura-Laq, he offered me a gallon at no cost to try. I've only been in the store a few times over the last 10 years, he had no clue who I am or what my set up is.

I'm so glad I don't live in some parts of this country. Sucks when you can't get what you need.

Tom

 

[JCLP]

Tom, Have you tried spraying Dura-Laq yet. How does it compare to KA+?

JC

 

[tjbnwi]

Tom, Have you tried spraying Dura-Laq yet. How does it compare to KA+?

JC

I have not sprayed it. I did not take him up on the free gallon. I have a tendency to do stupid things like this, should have just taken the gallon.

Tom

 

[mo siopa]

It could be OTC regulations.  KA contains VOCs even thought it is water-reducible.

 

[rizzoa13]

If you want to use the ka+ waterbourne from Sherwin Williams and can't get anyone to sell it to you I can get you in touch with our regional rep. I live in south jersey and was able to get it through the Atlantic City store. 15 minutes after I ordered it the regional rep reached out to me to see if he could do anything more for me (I'm assuming they thought I was a much larger cabinet shop). Needless to say I was impressed with the customer service and I'm sure that he could get you in touch with the right people.

 

[Rick Christopherson]

With an HVLP there is minimal overspray, easily contained.

Are you certain there concern is overspray? Maybe they did not explain their concern well.

That's a long standing myth started by marketing people. It's the complete opposite. HVLP generates huge amounts of very fine overspray by its very nature. You are propelling the product toward the workpiece with large volumes of air, that must bounce off the surface, and with it carries a lot of the finer product with it.

An airless system will generate overspray too, but it remains localized to the floor directly under those areas you miss with the spray. HVLP will fog the whole shop. Airless won't.

 

[usatu]

I am new to using the spray gun, so please bear with me. Should I be concerned about safety if I use HVLP to spray water based lacquer like KA+ indoor? Can I bring the cabinet door outside to spray? Will that affect the finish?

Appreciate all your kind inputs and helps.

 

[tjbnwi]

With an HVLP there is minimal overspray, easily contained.

Are you certain there concern is overspray? Maybe they did not explain their concern well.

That's a long standing myth started by marketing people. It's the complete opposite. HVLP generates huge amounts of very fine overspray by its very nature. You are propelling the product toward the workpiece with large volumes of air, that must bounce off the surface, and with it carries a lot of the finer product with it.

An airless system will generate overspray too, but it remains localized to the floor directly under those areas you miss with the spray. HVLP will fog the whole shop. Airless won't.

Bull, properly set the overspray is damn near nonexistent on an HVLP. If you're getting overspray that is uncontrollable something is set incorrectly for the product.

Airless due to rebound will disperses the overspray over larger areas. Sherwin Williams makes a dry fall paint to add in cleaning up the mess an airless will make.

This is a Fuji Q4, with pressure pot set at 18 psi, KA+ through a T-70 gun with an 0.8 nozzle/needle set-1.0 air cap. No "mist" in the air, there is no direct ventilation draw at the spray point.


Tom

 

[tjbnwi]

I am new to using the spray gun, so please bear with me. Should I be concerned about safety if I use HVLP to spray water based lacquer like KA+ indoor? Can I bring the cabinet door outside to spray? Will that affect the finish?

Appreciate all your kind inputs and helps.

Respirator is mandatory no matter what you're spraying.

Outside is not a good choice. Wind, dust, dirt, sun changes on the product, way to many variables you cant control.

Tom

 

[usatu]

I got 3M Half Facepiece Reusable Respirator 7501. I assume it is fine? Other than that, can I use a box fan on the window to draw air outside? What else I need to set the booth up in garage? Thanks so much!

 

[wptski]

Bull, properly set the overspray is darn near nonexistent on an HVLP. If you're getting overspray that is uncontrollable something is set incorrectly for the product.

Airless due to rebound will disperses the overspray over larger areas. Sherwin Williams makes a dry fall paint to add in cleaning up the mess an airless will make.

This is a Fuji Q4, with pressure pot set at 18 psi, KA+ through a T-70 gun with an 0.8 nozzle/needle set-1.0 air cap. No "mist" in the air, there is no direct ventilation draw at the spray point.

Tom

This is an SW additive, does it have a name?

You are mismatching aircaps with nozzle/needle set?  What are you gaining with this?

 

[Rick Christopherson]

Sorry Tom, but I can see the product bounce off the surface in your own video. I can also tell that the room has fogged between the start and midway through.

 

[tjbnwi]

Bull, properly set the overspray is darn near nonexistent on an HVLP. If you're getting overspray that is uncontrollable something is set incorrectly for the product.

Airless due to rebound will disperses the overspray over larger areas. Sherwin Williams makes a dry fall paint to add in cleaning up the mess an airless will make.

This is a Fuji Q4, with pressure pot set at 18 psi, KA+ through a T-70 gun with an 0.8 nozzle/needle set-1.0 air cap. No "mist" in the air, there is no direct ventilation draw at the spray point.

Tom

This is an SW additive, does it have a name?

You are mismatching aircaps with nozzle/needle set?  What are you gaining with this?

I don't understand your question Bill. What additive, I did not mention one in my post.

Wider fan.

Tom

 

[tjbnwi]

Sorry Tom, but I can see the product bounce off the surface in your own video. I can also tell that the room has fogged between the start and midway through.

You must be the only one seeing it.

Tom

 

[wptski]

Bull, properly set the overspray is darn near nonexistent on an HVLP. If you're getting overspray that is uncontrollable something is set incorrectly for the product.

Airless due to rebound will disperses the overspray over larger areas. Sherwin Williams makes a dry fall paint to add in cleaning up the mess an airless will make.

This is a Fuji Q4, with pressure pot set at 18 psi, KA+ through a T-70 gun with an 0.8 nozzle/needle set-1.0 air cap. No "mist" in the air, there is no direct ventilation draw at the spray point.

Tom

This is an SW additive, does it have a name?

You are mismatching aircaps with nozzle/needle set?  What are you gaining with this?

I don't understand your question Bill. What additive, I did not mention one in my post.

Wider fan.

Tom

Ah!  That must be a typo, as you meant "aid" instead of "add" and I misunderstood.  I found the SW dry fall paint now.

The Fuji T-70 has a 1"-15" pattern adjustment knob, pattern changes with air caps?  Sorry, I'm not following that.