Carvex 420 first impressions

[neth27]

I think all the test jigsaws should use there own blades for a fair comparison.. Mafell use Mafell blades etc..  If you were comparing plunge saws would you complain if they were all not using Festool blades?

John..

 

[Rian]

@derrils : If that were a screw, wouldn't you expect more burn-marks around it? Being Metal-to-Metal that would certainly have burned (grinding a nail has that same effect).
@ Eco Options Hardwood : Mafell also has a 30 day testing period. In fact, you don't even pay for the product. You just test it 30 day's, if you don't like it you return it. If you do like it, you pay for it.
@Dovetai65 : Thanx, couldn't agree more!
@Alan m : We did do other cuts, and you will see them in the test-results and in the video.

The test should come online tonight (dutch timezone). The video however (13minutes) is taking a lot of time to render (a lot more than we had anticipated). The movie should be online tomorrow.

@Rembo72 : I just saw Elvis on the television, how would that be possible if he was dead ;-)
@John : The Carvex is using a Festool blade...

People you should all make up your own mind, the only thing we can do is show you our results...
I would think that it shouldn't be that difficult to redo our test.. It's just a piece op wood (102mm x 200mm), with a jigsaw...
Have fun!

 

[neth27]

@derrils : If that were a screw, wouldn't you expect more burn-marks around it? Being Metal-to-Metal that would certainly have burned (grinding a nail has that same effect).
@ Eco Options Hardwood : Mafell also has a 30 day testing period. In fact, you don't even pay for the product. You just test it 30 day's, if you don't like it you return it. If you do like it, you pay for it.
@Dovetai65 : Thanx, couldn't agree more!
@Alan m : We did do other cuts, and you will see them in the test-results and in the video.

The test should come online tonight (dutch timezone). The video however (13minutes) is taking a lot of time to render (a lot more than we had anticipated). The movie should be online tomorrow.

@Rembo72 : I just saw Elvis on the television, how would that be possible if he was dead ;-)
@John : The Carvex is using a Festool blade...

People you should all make up your own mind, the only thing we can do is show you our results...
I would think that it shouldn't be that difficult to redo our test.. It's just a piece op wood (102mm x 200mm), with a jigsaw...
Have fun!

Yes i know the Carvex was using a Festool blade, all im saying is the Mafell should of used one of their blades in their saw..
P.S. I own Festool and Mafell tools....

John.

 

[green fever]

neth the point i made about the guys insistence in using the maffell blade was he was more or less saying you don't have to buy our twenty pound a pack of two blades use the £6.00 or so for the Bosch blades x 5. for the same results, and yes i agree use the right blades for your branded tools and yes i use festool blades on all my festool blade using  tools as recommended.

 

[neth27]

If i paid £380 for the Mafell jigsaw i know i would be using their blades with it too..  [big grin] The Bosch blades probably dont work as well with the Mafell saw, but as im saying i would not buy the Bosch blades..  The same as i have the Mafell plunge saw, i dont use the £15 Trend blades with it..

John...

 

[hockey_magnet]

@ Eco Options Hardwood : Mafell also has a 30 day testing period. In fact, you don't even pay for the product. You just test it 30 day's, if you don't like it you return it. If you do like it, you pay for it.

Rian - this is utter crap. Maybe true of your dealer friend. This is a direct quote from Mafell's U.S. certified dealer:

"Un-used tools, returned in original packaging within 30 days of purchase, will receive full refund".

Please stop posting misleading infromation.

I have nothing against Mafell. I'm quite certain they make excellent tools, but I actually doubt that corporately they would support what you are doing here from a marketing perspective.

Chris

 

[neth27]

@ Eco Options Hardwood : Mafell also has a 30 day testing period. In fact, you don't even pay for the product. You just test it 30 day's, if you don't like it you return it. If you do like it, you pay for it.

Rian - this is utter crap. Maybe true of your dealer friend. This is a direct quote from Mafell's U.S. certified dealer:

"Un-used tools, returned in original packaging within 30 days of purchase, will receive full refund".

Please stop posting misleading infromation.

I have nothing against Mafell. I'm quite certain they make excellent tools, but I actually doubt that corporately they would support what you are doing here from a marketing perspective.

Chris

Hes not misleading you... I remember seeing the 30 day trial period for Mafell, it must be Europe only..

John...

 

[Rian]

@hocky_magnet : Don't like being called a liar. Check your facts before posting bullcrap!

http://www.mafell.nl/fileadmin/downloads/pdf/formular_30tagetest_nl_0411_erw.pdf

 

[peter halle]

Gentlemen,

Let's keep it civil or please do not post.  That goes for everyone.

Peter

 

[jmbfestool]

Okay guys i have just returned from the w12 show in Birmingham UK , i went over to the maffell stand and had a chat with a guy who was showing the maffell jigsaw  doing the usual demo so i asked several questions regarding it's capabilities etc and costs of the machine and accessories & blades etc, now this guy kept putting the maffell branded blade back in the saw even though he had other make blades which he said would all work fine as long as you used the correct blade for the material and type of cut , i asked him to cut right up to the edge of the worktop to check for blade deflection he did not instead he just kept cutting into the top, this guy mentioned how good the saw was and made references to other makes with blade guides that got hot and eventually wore the blades out ,  the worktop he cut was around 40mm it looked okay , when i asked about why no light and no cordless version and another few mechanical questions he said well here is the man that designed it i thought great he will come over to answer my questions twelve minutes later i got fed up and left , not before i found the costs of the saw and the optional angle base , the blades are ten pounds each!, now i am not saying the saw was bad just that i would expect the person who designed it would show more of an interest to a possible buyer at a large trade show !! it's a shame jmb was not there as it would have been good to get he's viewpoint on that jigsaw, and give an unbiased opinion  as i am sure he would call it as he would see it ,   green.

I was at the show.     I ended up not seein as much as I liked cus was talking to Dean (Dean Social), Matt (Mattfc), Luke (luke1984), Andy(non fog) to much lol  oh and  Peter (Stone Message) had a little chat.  

Where was you!  you was suppose to meet up! lol

 

[jonathan-m]

To clear this up, I can confirm there are mafell dealers (I'm not saying all of them, everywhere, because I'm not certain of that) but I know of some where you can in fact test the tools 30 days free of charge and after that time you either buy the tool or return it.

 

[hockey_magnet]

@hocky_magnet : Don't like being called a liar. Check your facts before posting bullcrap!

http://www.mafell.nl/fileadmin/downloads/pdf/formular_30tagetest_nl_0411_erw.pdf

Sorry but you  need to get your facts accurate, which they are not. If you state Mafell has a free trial policy, you are misleading the readers of this forum unless it is true for everone who reads it, which it is clearly not. I did not say you were a liar, I said you were posting misleading onformation, which you are with respect to Mafell's policies as they apply to a large percentage of the readers. If you had stated: "Mafell has a free trial period in certain countries or trading areas", you would have been correct. Since you did not do so, you are misleading people to believe they can get a Mafell tool anywhere for a free trial period and they can't. End of story.

 

[green fever]

hi jmb , i got waylaid chewing the fat with Kevin from vantainer , then of to see the guys at tts then maffell, had a look around then coffee before i knew it time was gone then so was i , anyhow if i get my 18v 420 before you or peter parfit i shall get it over to one of you two for a review, all the best green.

 

[jmbfestool]

hi jmb , i got waylaid chewing the fat with Kevin from vantainer , then of to see the guys at tts then maffell, had a look around then coffee before i knew it time was gone then so was i , anyhow if i get my 18v 420 before you or peter parfit i shall get it over to one of you two for a review, all the best green.

Yeah we was tlkin 2 him at Vantainer.    Mainly about the kaizen foam. 

 

[RC]

Dear hockey_magnet, to that tone I should call everyone of you from the US liars since Festool does not have a 30 day or any other day return policy in Finland for example.
We only get the 1-year warranty extension (2 years standard) if you register the tool within 30 days of purchase, no tool points, nothing else.

This whole try-before-you-buy thing must be an North-American thing since we just don't see it here. The only no-questions-asked return you get is for mail-order/online-bought goods the consumer protection law guarantees a 14 day return for unused & undamaged products.

If you buy from a brick & mortar store you better be really sure that what you buy is right for you because you ain't getting a refund. And most B&M stores don't let you try anything so you are left to reading the boxes, looking at videos on the net and reading experiences on forums like FOG to get an idea of the relative merits of tools. Festools are mostly delivered to order and very few machines are actually at any stores to even touch, much less try out.

Can we stop the bickering and get some facts on the Carvex 420 performance on the table?

I, for one, need to do really careful pre-evaluation of every Festool that I purchase for the above reasons.

 

[medicusdkfz]

Thumbs up for the Mafell P1CC! I'm addicted to all my Festool power tools besides the Carvex 400. I send the 400 to Festool because of the same problems reported in this forum. When the 400 came back, I had the same problems. At the same time I ordered a Mafell. And this jig saw surprised me. The cut with the special blade is excellent straight and in 90 degree. I love the possibilitkes of the P1 in making circle cuts and cuting on the "Führungsschiene". Sorry Festool but for the jig saw I go my way with Mafell...

Best greetings, Pierre

 

[Rian]

@hocky_magnet : Maybe if you didn't start with "this is utter crap. Maybe true of your dealer friend." I might have responded differently..

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I didn't even consider the fact that testing trails might be different outside Europe..
I don't make a habit of looking up trail-periods for other countries. I live in Europe, so I only looked at trail-periods that are available in Europe. You didn't research other countries than the US, I didn't research outside Europe. Big deal!
Your misleading people just as much with your wrong information, by stating that it was not possible. As you mentioned, there are a lot of people on FOG that do not live in the US...

 

[windmill man]

Gentlemen please, its only a matter of opinion, what next , handbags at twenty paces.

 

[JJS]

I'm mostly a passive user of this forum. I find it a valuable source of information. At the same time I am very aware that opinions are colored by the pro Festool vibe here!

Being dutch i can read the text on the website of the dealer that is supporting the discussed video, and the text in his online ads. I'd like to ad my perspective.

The dealer supporting this test video is marketing the Mafell brand here in the Netherlands in an aggressive way, targeted primarily at professional Festool users. All their online video tests compare Festool with Maffel, and they offer to by your old Festool tools. It is their right to market hard and jump on the Carvex ps400 history (as they clearly did, and do again with the ps420). But to my taste they are sometimes crossing, a line. It's hard to pin point where things go wrong, but the text 'wij staan voor eerlijk advies over gereedschap' ('we're about honoust advice about tools') on the front page of their website is perhaps a nice example. If you're entire marketing strategy is aimed at comparisons with Festool than I find this is a questionable suggestion. Why not focus on the virtues of the brand your trying to sell? They don't come across as the type of professional partner that suits me, and I wonder if this is the way to market a top brand like Maffel.

In this case to me personally the testers in the video (listening to what they say) appear to be almost cheering about the bended blades and the sparks. They don't come across as really serious or interested in objectivity. These type of video's are often disputable because of the involvement of marketing departments of the brands or individual dealers. To me this one, given the context fits into the category useless.

 

[Deansocial]

Main thing i noticed about the mafell jig at w12 was it was too heavy for me and how i use a jigsaw