waho6o9
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Even the music is similar. That is so pathetic. [eek] Festools rock! [smile]
Cheap TS55 Rival
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Jonhilgen said:
I'm waiting for the head to head magazine review... it will probably win b/c everyone knows that woodworkers are cheap and lazy. The extra cost of a vac and having to constantly hook it up means that it likely will never get hooked for dust collection. These guys are smart and decided not to waste put unwanted extras in the product. [scared]
Brad
Competition is a great thing. I think it only makes Festool value look even better because there are now more points of comparison instead of "what's that rail thing saw thingamajig" or "you paid how much for a circular saw"?
I've never tried the Mafell nor seen it but like Ferrari and Porsche, I'm sure they keep each other competitive, and pushing the envelope, which is a win for us, the end user.
Re: the video, I'm thinking the engineers at Festool are simply saying "bring it", or "why are you bringing a fight to a gunfight" or whatever the equal popular expression for German engineers is. [big grin]
I've never tried the Mafell nor seen it but like Ferrari and Porsche, I'm sure they keep each other competitive, and pushing the envelope, which is a win for us, the end user.
Re: the video, I'm thinking the engineers at Festool are simply saying "bring it", or "why are you bringing a fight to a gunfight" or whatever the equal popular expression for German engineers is. [big grin]
what do guy think about this saw ? Mafell PSS3100e Panel Saw
Ken Nagrod
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There was a thread on that saw, I believe towards the beginning of this year. One of the U.K. members posted it from my recollection.
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Festoolfootstool said:
[doh] Sorry A. I don't know how I forgot talking with you about that saw. Someheimers must be setting in.
...also available in Denmark under the brand "Scheppach" Just a little bit cheaper: 1298 danish kroner = 174 Euro = 235 USD = 150 £
An extra 1400mm rail costs 398 danish kroner = 53 Euro = 72 USD = 45 £
IMO Scheppach and Woodstar is not known as top quality for professionals.
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An extra 1400mm rail costs 398 danish kroner = 53 Euro = 72 USD = 45 £
IMO Scheppach and Woodstar is not known as top quality for professionals.
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I just love the people that make comments that the saw is crap without ever using it. The saw may be crap, then again it maybe the best bang for the buck in the industry. I reserve my judgement until I have a tool in my hands and use it for a day. You can't tell much from a video, good or bad.
An example is the Ryobi impact, a lot here would not even look at a Ryobi tool, guess what, for the money there is no better. It's 69.00 and most of the time I can not tell any difference between it and my 250.00 and my friends 300.00 + impact.
An example is the Ryobi impact, a lot here would not even look at a Ryobi tool, guess what, for the money there is no better. It's 69.00 and most of the time I can not tell any difference between it and my 250.00 and my friends 300.00 + impact.
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Do you guys think it is compatible with the festool guide rail?
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Dovetail65 said:
hear hear.. also helps to know what makes a good tool in terms of particular features.. for example with pillar drills the chuck, spindle and bearings are the most important, so getting a cheap one and replacing the 50cent bearings with some for 15 dollars will get you from a functionality perspective 90% of the way to a really good one. Likewise with these cheaper saws, providing the guide rail is straight and the motor bearings are ok, put a good quality blade on and I would expect a top quality result.. sure the motor might be a bit rough with no smooth computer control, duts extraction might not be quite as good etc, but like you said, bang for the buck wise could be perfect for the the lower duty user who still wants good results
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i have a cheap saw for roofing, i work it hard and it doesnt fail me. it spins a blade, that blade can be the cheapo it came with or he sthele blde i replaced i with.
now it it had a base that ran on a rail agaist a splinter guard i would find it hard to see a differance in cut between that and the festool.
Trouble is some people have their head so far up festools arse they can see another tool without shooting it down.
This may not be for high quality carpenters/joiners but u on a roof cutting sheathing etc its perfect or even if your just starting out again it is perfect.
now it it had a base that ran on a rail agaist a splinter guard i would find it hard to see a differance in cut between that and the festool.
Trouble is some people have their head so far up festools arse they can see another tool without shooting it down.
This may not be for high quality carpenters/joiners but u on a roof cutting sheathing etc its perfect or even if your just starting out again it is perfect.
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I'd be hesitant to praise something like this - but I'd also avoid knocking it without reasonable knowledge. Still, I'd have to say that the chances are it's a cheaper copy with the potential of a positive improvement in small areas, but probably lesser reliability and support than Festool (by reputation). No, I wouldn't buy one - but that could also be because I could now be a "tool snob".
Festool, to my thinking, put a lot of money back into R&D ... while many other's may wait till they can simply copy and produce cheaper versions. That's the way of the world. If it wasn't for the significant financial benefits, copying someone else's invention would simply be the highest form of compliment.
Copying is also a great way to start a business - consider the last 50 years of the auto industry!
My 2 cents ...
Kev.
Festool, to my thinking, put a lot of money back into R&D ... while many other's may wait till they can simply copy and produce cheaper versions. That's the way of the world. If it wasn't for the significant financial benefits, copying someone else's invention would simply be the highest form of compliment.
Copying is also a great way to start a business - consider the last 50 years of the auto industry!
My 2 cents ...
Kev.
