CMS Router Table & Impact Driver - Available for Pre Order Right Now

[tjbnwi]

Peter, the guys on JLC are fighting over who will get the first stool, get ready, Eric

I have read and commented in the thread you started about the stool at JLC. As I stated there, as far as I know you are bashing a product you have yet to see, most there think it is over priced. Until I see it and can judge its quality, I refrain from passing judgement. As I posted on JLC, I bought my first Snap-On "hot dog wagon" bottom tools box in 1970 for $2000.00. By the way, that was a lot of money for a 14 year old (my age in 1970). I have 12k in Snap-On tool boxes, all working very well all these years latter. Including that "hot dog wagon" which was my 3rd bottom box. Now imagine what all the tools and equipment cost to fill those boxes and chests, to support my first trade.

So no one is fighting over there. They are more surprised I am buying the CMS. The one that you falsely priced at $2400.00 on JLC. We all know that is not the actual price of the unit, but that is what is believed over at JLC, due to your misinformation.

For the current work I do I do not need the stool. Just because it does not fit my work profile at the present time does not mean I should bash the offering. As I stated over at JLC, if I was still restoring Pantera's I would consider the stool and the work center. I believe they would both work very well with the car on the rotisserie. I thought this may have come from the automotive division of Festool and I now know it has. If I recall correctly, it is the same division that developed the Rotex.

I make no apologies for being curse here. I don't like when a pot is stirred with falsehoods and misinformation. You are entitled to your opinion.  

Tom

 

[ericbuggeln]

The price of the cms module and the of2200, the only router worth putting in one comes to $2400. Eric

 

[tjbnwi]

You have used the CMS how many times? How do you know it is the 2200 is the only router worth uding in the CMS. How about the 2200 use it often?

The CMS is NOT $2400.00, plain and simple. The most expensive set up is $1600.00. I bet your favorite dealer will confirm this.  I know I'm not going to pay $2400.00 for the full CMS set up. No special deal, just paying the listed Festool price.

Tom

 

[ericbuggeln]

If you need a complete CMS router table set up with the 2200 it is $2400. If you buy the CMS module and have no Festool router, you have nothing and hence would need to buy one, most likely the 2200. What HP motor are you currently running on your stationary router table?

If Festool figures a way to get the TS, Trion, Belt Sander Modules, then that price point is not only fair, its a steal. I still think guys in good sized shops are not gonna want to change modules all day and would rather have separate machines. Eric

 

[tjbnwi]

Mighty big "if" you open your post with.

Seeing as in NA you cannot purchase a CMS that accepts the 2200 your point is mute. The least you can do is put forth truthfull information. I bet those who buy this table already own a 1010 or 1400. If they do their work as "contractors" I bet like mine, they (the routers) have more than paid for their spot in the arsenal.

Do you really think that someone who will purchase the CMS does not have some experience with Festool?  

The 1400 out prefoms the 3.25 horsepower Bosch router I have in my router table. I think the only Festool router I own that does not out preform the Bosch and Porter Cable routers I own is the 700. The 700 is a better router than the Bosches and PC's just not as powerful.

Here is a link that shows the cost of the CMS in various configurations. I don't see any at $2400.00.

http://www.tool-home.com/products/catalog/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=Router+table&x=0&y=0

I sure your preferred dealer is not selling them for $2400.00 either.

By the way if the need arises and it improves work flow, I'll buy a second router for the CMS. My choice to spend the additional funds at a future date. The CMS will still have only cost $1600.00.

Tom

 

[ericbuggeln]

You sound pissed Tom and Im not pissed in the least, so im gonna chill for the night. I will check you out at JLC, Eric

 

[tjbnwi]

Not ticked, upset or put off in anyway. Nothing to be upset about.

Tom

 

[ericbuggeln]

I just couldnt tell Tom. I will let you know what I really think of one when I get to use it. Like I said before its probably amazing, just would like to see all the modules for that price and it would be nice to have the OF2200 as an option. I like the 1400 too much to put it in a router table. Eric

 

[RONWEN]

Peter, not to send negative and get the militia after me, but what do you do with a $350 stool? Eric

Eric, The drawer would be a good place to store your two (2) Syslites...  [big grin]  [big grin]  [big grin]  [big grin]

 

[vwdave]

I can tell you I've been waiting for the "stool" for a while know. I first saw it around the same time the work center came out and held off my purchase of the work center in hopes of the stool coming to the US.  Sure it's some big money but I'm not sure  how that surprises people, quality tools built with quality materials by people that get paid a decent amount translates into a higher priced tool.

My thoughts for the "stool" is to set it up with the work center and use it around the garage and larger site jobs. But to me the real treat is I can quickly pop off the work center set it on a vac or the ground and use the stool to do door knobs and other tasks that would normally involve kneeling, could now be done using the stool with a drawer beneath for the tools I need.

I also can't wait for the CMS, I've been waiting patiently for a few years and wished I had the money to order it from overseas a while ago.  But my wait is almost over. Yeah it stinks that all the different modules didn't get approval but you can't blame Festool, blame our sue happy neighbors and lawyers. But the biggest and most important piece of the puzzle is here, the CMS. Sourcing other accessories from across the pond shouldn't be very difficult or costly.  

Dave

 

[Sean7a]

The price of the cms module and the of2200, the only router worth putting in one comes to $2400. Eric

Eric, in your experience, how does the OF 1400 compare to the PC 7518?  The 2200, IMHO, is in a league of it's own.  Sure it'd be wonderful to pop in the CMS day one when it comes out on October 1st, but from many reliable folks, who have a ton of experience, an OF 1400 will most that a 7518 can do, if not more.  NOT speaking from experience here.

 

[mattfc]

The price of the cms module and the of2200, the only router worth putting in one comes to $2400. Eric

I have and use the CMS quite a bit, I also have the OF1010, OF1400 and OF2200. I now mainly use the OF2200 in the CMS, the reason being not that the OF1400 wasn't up to the job, but the OF1400 is such a good general all rounder, that for ease I have it free to use for whatever rather than taking out from under the CMS (not that that takes more than 60 seconds).

With very heavy workloads and large bits, all I noticed using the OF1400 is that its slows for a moment when it starts cutting, whilst the electronics adjust to the increased load. With the OF2200 you don't notice it, and have yet to throw anything at the OF2200 to make it seem like it working hard at all

 

[peter halle]

The price of the cms module and the of2200, the only router worth putting in one comes to $2400. Eric

I have and use the CMS quite a bit, I also have the OF1010, OF1400 and OF2200. I now mainly use the OF2200 in the CMS, the reason being not that the OF1400 wasn't up to the job, but the OF1400 is such a good general all rounder, that for ease I have it free to use for whatever rather than taking out from under the CMS (not that that takes more than 60 seconds).

With very heavy workloads and large bits, all I noticed using the OF1400 is that its slows for a moment when it starts cutting, whilst the electronics adjust to the increased load. With the OF2200 you don't notice it, and have yet to throw anything at the OF2200 to make it seem like it working hard at all

I have a 2 questions for users of the 2200 in the CMS in other parts of the world:

1.  Is the opening in the table (appropriate mounting module) smaller than the opening in the bottom of the router?  In other words, can you use a larger diameter cutter in the 2200 handheld versus in the CMS?

2.  What is the maximum cutting width bit that can be used in the CMS?

I admit that I am confused by nformation that I have gotten from several people and suspect that others might be too.  I realize that at the current time there will not be this option from Festool USA, but we have readers all over the world.

Thanks,

Peter

 

[tbellemare]

Peter:

There are various rings that can be snapped in the throat of the table from above. The biggest one appears to be 64-65 mm diameter.

If I understand the second question correctly, it's about 67 mm from the fence to the bit axis on this one. There are two holes that mount the fence close to the bit and two farther away. I measured that with it in the far position, like for a dado.

Tom

 

[peter halle]

Tom,

You can use a CMT 3 1/2" panel raising bit in the 2200 freehand size wise - correct?  Will that same bit fit in the hole in the module with or without rings (if the bit takes up all the room you don't need rings)?  If not, what is the maximum size of the bit that will fit?

Peter

 

[tbellemare]

With the ring(s) out, the hole is about 70 mm diameter, which is about 2-3/4".

Tom

 

[mattfc]

CORRECTION!
I took out another ring that I forgot was removable...
The opening is a little over 95 mm diameter.
The answers to your two questions then are yes and yes.
Tom

Thanks.. you saved me a trip to the garage!

 

[ccarrolladams]

Tom,

You can use a CMT 3 1/2" panel raising bit in the 2200 freehand size wise - correct?  Will that same bit fit in the hole in the module with or without rings (if the bit takes up all the room you don't need rings)?  If not, what is the maximum size of the bit that will fit?

Peter

Peter,

During the Henderson, NV Door and Drawer Class we used two different CMS. One had an OF1400 and the other an OF2200. The CMT cope and stick cutters easily fit in the OF1400. The panel raising bit was also from CMT. It was used in the OF2200. Since that was 3.5" dia, it would not fit in the OF1400.

In my shop I use my Felder tilting arbor shaper for panel raising, because I find it works better using cutters far more than 3.5" dia. For cope and stick, in my shop I do use CMT cutters in other router tables with PC7518 router motors.

 

[jmbfestool]

Tom,

You can use a CMT 3 1/2" panel raising bit in the 2200 freehand size wise - correct?  Will that same bit fit in the hole in the module with or without rings (if the bit takes up all the room you don't need rings)?  If not, what is the maximum size of the bit that will fit?

Peter

Yes!

Having the OF2200 in the CMS does not restrict the cutter size.

Jmb

 

[Brice Burrell]

CORRECTION!

I took out another ring that I forgot was removable...

The opening is a little over 95 mm diameter.

The answers to your two questions then are yes and yes.

Tom

Interesting, I came up with the 70mm too when I checked it, I'll admit it was a quick peek at the tape.  My recollection is the 2200 can't quite fit a 3 1/2" bit, of course, my recollection isn't what it once was.....