CMS setup and repeatability

[fritter63]

In one of the threads discussing the CMS and it's fence system, a critique was raised about the lack of "repeatability" on fence positioning such as what you can get with an Incra fence installed on either a router table or table saw. This got me to thinking about what the implications of the CMS setup were on this issue.

In a regular setup (say a unisaw or a router table with recessed drop in router mounting plate), you can be assured that the cutting tool (saw blade or router bit) will always be fixed in the same location. This means that the only factor coming into play for repeatability is the fence system itself.

However, let's take a hypothetical situation where somebody has fitted a CMS table with an Incra fence system. How would installation of the router or TS onto it's mounting plate affect the relationship? Are the tools, when inserted onto the mounting plate, guaranteed to always be located in precisely the same location, or can there be slight variations?

In other words, if you did have a fence system that allowed for repeatability, would it be undermined by removing and reinstalling the router or TS tool and having it end up slightly different than before?

 

[jmbfestool]

I don't know about the TS as I don't own the module for the TS

But regarding the router it's always in the same position but if you do my modification I did with mine even more so and its also 100x quicker to remove and insert your router.

It's the fence which doesn't allow repeat ability what I do with mine is draw a pencil line before I move my fence so I can get it quickly back in position but still have to just check for accuracy little annoying really.

As long as your Incra is fixed solid to the CMS module I don't see a problem with repeat ability.

Jmb

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[Stone Message]

My experience is with the CMS and TS55R. The saw locates on the insert in the same way that it locates on a guide rail. It is then clamped in place. Any play would also affect the saw on the guide rails and should have been taken care of by adjusting the green plastic guide adjusters on the saw's sole plate. My TS insert fits very snugly into the CMS Base Unit and I do not believe that there is any noticeable play there.

I make a lot of small items which have to be machined quite accurately. I particularly like the CMS-TS setup as it is a very accurate, clean and easy to use piece of kit. I do not do any cross cutting (I have no sliding table) and so all of my cuts are rips. If I am ripping something special I always thickness plane it afterwards even though the finish after ripping is pretty good.

Peter

 

[tbellemare]

As stated, the routers are located very well - by a ring sized to each of the three plunge routers that mount snugly in the hole in the plate.

Tom

 

[agehall]

But regarding the router it's always in the same position but if you do my modification I did with mine even more so and its also 100x quicker to remove and insert your router.

I searched, but I can't find a link to your mod. Can you point me in the right direction?

 

[RC]

And there is the locator pin that makes sure the router is always the right way round.

 

[jmbfestool]

But regarding the router it's always in the same position but if you do my modification I did with mine even more so and its also 100x quicker to remove and insert your router.

I searched, but I can't find a link to your mod. Can you point me in the right direction?

I didn't make a specific thread for it  I posted it in another thread Stone message CMS review

But here's a video link any way.   I have been using this mod  for a while now and I love it best thing I did to the CM-OF2200 module.

Festool OF2200

 

[Brice Burrell]

I don't know about the TS as I don't own the module for the TS

But regarding the router it's always in the same position but if you do my modification I did with mine even more so and its also 100x quicker to remove and insert your router......

Just so you're aware, this modification was discussed even before the 2200's release.  I'm sure you probably didn't see this discussion and came to the idea on your own but this still isn't "your modification". [poke] [big grin]

 

[jmbfestool]

I don't know about the TS as I don't own the module for the TS

But regarding the router it's always in the same position but if you do my modification I did with mine even more so and its also 100x quicker to remove and insert your router......

Just so you're aware, this modification was discussed even before the 2200's release.  I'm sure you probably didn't see this discussion and came to the idea on your own but this still isn't "your modification". [poke] [big grin]

Well you see cus I didn't see this topic and I have not seen any one actually do it. It is MY modification  [tongue]

Jmb

 

[tbellemare]

I know that various people have made router table set ups using the clip on base(s) as the mechanism to hang the router but I consider it folly.

The clip on base connection doesn't look to me as if it was designed to be in tension, but rather, it was designed to be in compression. I wouldn't trust it as a legitimate way to hang that beast. That's why there are threaded holes in the base.

'Just my opinion. I stand on the top of ladders but that I wouldn't do.

Tom

 

[jmbfestool]

I know that various people have made router table set ups using the clip on base(s) as the mechanism to hang the router but I consider it folly.

The clip on base connection doesn't look to me as if it was designed to be in tension, but rather, it was designed to be in compression. I wouldn't trust it as a legitimate way to hang that beast. That's why there are threaded holes in the base.

'Just my opinion. I stand on the top of ladders but that I wouldn't do.

Tom

I know it's not really my mod just messing!  I can't see it ever falling out because the  bit which allows you to wind the router up and down on the CMS module holds the router up.  So unless ALL the screws where to come out in one go on the base it's impossible for the router to come off.  To remove the router you have to fully wind that up and fully plunge the router down to unclip it.    So no way would it fall off just not physically possible the worst it can do it just loosen while your working and vibrate.

Well I'm leaving mine as it is and I'll come back to you if it ever falls out.

Jmb

 

[tbellemare]

I agree, JMB, it would take a pretty catastrophically rare event to unseat it but on this side of the pond there's a guy named, "Murphy", a famous legislator...

Tom

 

[fritter63]

I agree, JMB, it would take a pretty catastrophically rare event to unseat it but on this side of the pond there's a guy named, "Murphy", a famous legislator...

Tom

actually it's that Murphy is a wimp and goes running to his lawyers for everything....

 

[agehall]

I didn't make a specific thread for it  I posted it in another thread Stone message CMS review

But here's a video link any way.   I have been using this mod  for a while now and I love it best thing I did to the CM-OF2200 module.

Festool OF2200

I like it a lot. I think I'll attempt to do the same with mine tbh.

How did you go about getting the base properly lined up before drilling the holes?

 

[jmbfestool]

I didn't make a specific thread for it  I posted it in another thread Stone message CMS review

But here's a video link any way.   I have been using this mod  for a while now and I love it best thing I did to the CM-OF2200 module.

Festool OF2200

I like it a lot. I think I'll attempt to do the same with mine tbh.

How did you go about getting the base properly lined up before drilling the holes?

  What  I did was place the OF2200 router with the ring in place and the little pin plate to get it in position I then marked around the base with a sharp pencil.  

I then removed the OF2200 router then using the removable base only I placed it back on in the pencil mark I just did  removing the metal plate to mark the holes I needed to drill through the CMS-module.  

I then counter sunk the holes from the other side so the screws sat below the surface and then simply screwed the metal plate on.

JMB